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Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by ericmay »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #386
atoav wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If everybody got the damn vaccine the thing would be over much faster. Not getting vaccinated or wearing a mask is an active effort to prolong the existence of a virus that doesn't give a damn about how people rationalize their bad decisions. And I stopped giving a damn about people who defend the metaphorical licking of rats during a plague. I have yet to hear a good rational reason for not getting a vaccine, that i…

> If everybody got the damn vaccine There are many people like me who have high level of antibodies, don't really need a vaccine this way (AFAIK there already is enough evidence supporting this) and don't want to get vaccinated with the fastest-baked (least tested) vaccine in history despite being passionately pro-vac when it's about other diseases and better-tested vaccines. I don't want the damn vaccine. I want the…

No, you just don’t want to get vaccinated. Everything else is window dressing around that.

The virus will mutate and continue to do so. Eventually your immunity will weaken - will you get the vaccine then? Doubt it. You’ll make up another excuse then instead.

And let’s not pretend you are any more informed about this vaccine than you are any other “highly tested” one. You have no scientific or educated reasoning here and you’re just letting your ego get in the way of things. It’s ok. I do that too. But the quicker you realize you’re caught up in FUD mostly planted by morons and Russian and Chinese state-sponsored democracy dividers the better your life will be.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by jcims »

krageon wrote: post #400
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #347

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Point of clarification, because you're spreading misinformation: being opposed to one specific vaccine type is NOT the same as being an "anti-vaxxer." It will behoove you to be clear on that point.

> misinformation The overlap between the two groups is so large and the justifications so similar that they may as well be the same. It is not useful for clarity, brevity or comprehension to distinguish the two.

This type of generalization is what allows people to bulldoze details and nuance in favor of bright tribal lines. It’s the same psychological shortcut that folks use when they call any social program ‘socialism’. It’s lazy and destructive.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by xtat »

gaoshan wrote: post #100

I genuinely miss the office. Being in a different space for work (one that was pretty gorgeous), in a nice part of downtown, able to tap people on the shoulder for quick questions rather than having to ping them over chat, more spontaneous collaboration (right before we went remote again I overheard two people discussing an area I have some expertise in and was able to interject and provide useful insight), extra pro…

Yes please don't randomly tap people on the shoulder and ask quick questions.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by gambiting »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #386
atoav wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If everybody got the damn vaccine the thing would be over much faster. Not getting vaccinated or wearing a mask is an active effort to prolong the existence of a virus that doesn't give a damn about how people rationalize their bad decisions. And I stopped giving a damn about people who defend the metaphorical licking of rats during a plague. I have yet to hear a good rational reason for not getting a vaccine, that i…

> If everybody got the damn vaccine There are many people like me who have high level of antibodies, don't really need a vaccine this way (AFAIK there already is enough evidence supporting this) and don't want to get vaccinated with the fastest-baked (least tested) vaccine in history despite being passionately pro-vac when it's about other diseases and better-tested vaccines. I don't want the damn vaccine. I want the…

>>and don't want to get vaccinated with the fastest-baked (least tested) vaccine

But....why. Every single study shows that it's safe. Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated so far without issues. And reading up on the method of delivery makes me very confident in having it.

Just because it's the fastest developed vaccine in history(which is not true btw, but whatever, let's roll with that argument if you wish)? Why would that be an argument against it rather than the actual data that shows whether its safe or not?

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by Svperstar »

OJFord wrote: post #385
presentation wrote: post #292

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I know plenty of people who are staying home not because they're worried about COVID, but more because they've come to enjoy the seclusion and convenience of ordering delivery all the time.

As someone who 'enjoyed the convenience of delivery' long before the coronavirus pandemic, it's quite weird to realise that wasn't as normal (then) as it seemed. City bubble I suppose. Or not-having-a-car (hardly unusual for London) bubble. (I don't mean takeaway food - though it's certainly 'normal' among certain demographics.. - just groceries, Amazon, etc.)

> Or not-having-a-car (hardly unusual for London) bubble.

In large sections of the US, I am guessing like 90% of the country it is almost impossible to survive without a car, like you literally will end up homeless without an automobile and I am not exaggerating.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by sokoloff »

dan-robertson wrote: post #213
IggleSniggle wrote: post #72

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Well, yes. If not "everyone," certainly lots and lots of folks are just staying home whenever possible. Because we are in the middle of a global pandemic. I think this has much more to do with "we are in a global pandemic" than "you can't meet people doing remote work." Certainly, there were a number of larger groups that I used to hang out with consistently pre-pandemic, but now have totally abandoned. I'm not inter…

I think it is, on average, incorrect to say that people are staying home for fear of the pandemic which is what I think you are suggesting. I think the average hn reader probably skews much more cautious about coronavirus, much better able to remain indoors, and much more, for want of a better phrase, socially responsible than the average person. And even among hn readers plenty will not be staying at home much. That…

Bars and restaurants being closed or having significant restrictions, recreational sports leagues being cancelled, other (often outdoor) events and meetups being cancelled are reasons why lots of people would do less socializing because [other] people are fearful of the pandemic even if they aren't themselves substantially fearful.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by ladyattis »

Ancalagon wrote: post #8

I’m gonna go against the HN grain here and, despite having been fully for remote work for the first year or so of the pandemic, come out and say that life has really gotten a lot more repetitive and frankly disappointing since covid and the death of the office. I kind of miss meeting people in the office. I was in the unfortunate position of having moved to a new city for a new tech job where I knew nobody just seven…

I must be odd because I prefer work from home despite feeling lonely at times. It's really hard to get people to focus on an issue when I talk to them because often they're making idle talk and I'm just not the kind of person for that. So in-office interactions for me are quite stressful when I'm trying to get work done.

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Post by cableshaft »

bserge wrote: post #362
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #219

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What’s the point of society if not to stress test it? Humanity won’t be able to rest on its laurels forever. If it’s not some local natural predator trying to kill us (animal, virus, etc), it’ll be some extraterrestrial species next. We need to go through periods like this to adapt and become stronger. God forbid humans go through a couple years of reduced contact. If we can’t do and society is really that fragile, t…

It's been kind of a joke of a test. But even then, we've seen a whole lot of people act like total imbeciles. Yeah, we're total fucked if a real problem hits us.

Climate Change cracks its knuckles and leers off in the distance, like Thanos on his throne, while the Avengers are all too busy bickering about less important things to do anything to stop him

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by Svperstar »

noir_lord wrote: post #62
taurath wrote: post #46

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I think you're correct, but one thing that is really missing nowadays, especially with phones and the internet, is active communities that exist in real life outside of work. Stuff like the elks lodge, rotary, bowling leagues, etc are just not as common anymore as I believe they used to be. Certainly there are many things that exist, but in a way societally it seems like they don't have very much cache, even as far a…

I have a bunch of friends on IRC, we generally hang out in a single channel (it spun out of a topic specific channel but we sorta moved to been adjacent years ago). That acts as my digital water cooler since I'm remote forever.

I'm old, my online friends moved from IRC to Discord around 2017.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Post by notacoward »

I did the "remote with monthly visits" thing for three and a half years. I honestly didn't mind, there were even some things I liked about it, but it sure as heck isn't for everyone. And then there's the carbon-footprint issue. It was bad enough when it was just me, but having everyone do it (as suggested in the article) would be truly awful.

If you're going to be remote first, be remote first. That means not only people working from home, but a work flow designed for that environment. Written, asynchronous, open. Not big frequent video calls that replicate in-person meetings, augmented by private calls that fill in the gaps but also create/reinforce clique structures (and exacerbate "Zoom fatigue"). Companies that do true remote first can succeed. Companies that do "remote first" as a poor approximation of in-office presence get the worst of both worlds.

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