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Post by eranation »

smashem wrote: post #206
mabbo wrote: post #189

I quit Amazon 3 weeks ago after nearly a decade. Work from home was one of the biggest reasons. In my view, the personality traits that are conducive to promotion up the Amazon leadership ladder are strongly aligned with loving work-from-office. Most people L10 and higher not only don't understand the desire for permanent work from home, I think maybe they cannot understand it. It's just too foreign to many of them.…

Funny, I left Amazon two weeks ago because WFH burned me out. I'm currently taking a sabbatical. * Zoom fatigue is real. * I find it much harder to collaborate with peers. * I feel like less of a part of the company. Not being in the office, so I'm no longer seeing that busy bee activity on the floors, not able to mingle with other people from other teams, not seeing new faces, no team activities, and no desk with my…

> zoom fatigue You mean chime fatigue I assume ;) it’s like zoom fatigue, just can’t get that ringtone out of your head forever

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Post by Clubber »

kreeben wrote: post #45
ripper1138 wrote: post #38

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We are very fortunate to be paid as much as we are for sitting at home and working on a computer. Compared to 99% of other adults around the world, we are spoiled.

I don't fully agree. Instead, what I think, is that the stock holders of the company I work for are very fortunate that I work for them. Are we better off compared to service workers? Oh yeah, definitely.

>I don't fully agree. Instead, what I think, is that the stock holders of the company I work for are very fortunate that I work for them.

This is true and often lost on a lot of people. It's easy to blur the big picture when so many people slave away for scraps. If you weren't worth a significant portion more of what you are paid, you wouldn't be employed.

>We are very fortunate to be paid as much as we are for sitting at home and working on a computer.

We are fortunate enough to be born with the brain capacity to be rarely apt at such an in-demand and highly valuable skill. Of course developing the skill itself was hard work, not luck. We automate at pennies on the dollar. If we were paid 5x more than "market rates," our employers would merely double their investment rather than 10x. Double is an impressive return on any investment.

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Post by kodah »

munificent wrote: post #247
kodah wrote: post #147

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Can you be more specific about what you're arguing? I can't really tell.

I'm saying artists and musicians aren't a bonus. A city without them might be functional, but no one would love it and few would call it thriving. No part of a city is really inessential.

My hometown wasn't really known for artists or artistry and I still loved it. I think the desire to be around art is one that only part (maybe even a small part) of the country shares. Having it is nice, but not having it isn't really missing out on much, and it's fairly low on the hierarchy of needs.

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Post by pinewurst »

HenryKissinger wrote: post #320
mabbo wrote: post #263

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Definitely. But it's gotten worse, in my view. The Toronto office (where I worked) is seeing a shift in the seniors vs juniors ratio. The rate of senior engineers leaving is exceeding the rate of promotion and hiring- not that Amazon has ever had an easy time hiring senior engineers in Toronto.

I'm curious. Why? Amazon pays competitively, and they're the biggest player in online retail and cloud services. Why wouldn't engineers want to work for them?

Because their reputation as an engineering employer is awful?

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Post by my_usernam3 »

confidantlake wrote: post #315

Does everyone else get multiple recruitment emails a week from Amazon? I get more recruitment emails from them than all other companies combined. Even when I suspended my linkedin I am still getting emails.

YYYESSSSS, I feel like I'm on multiple recruitment DB and they have no communication. Hell I've gotten the same EXACT email from two recruiters the same day.

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Post by dvtrn »

ipaddr wrote: post #336
doopy1 wrote: post #324

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What makes a good experience vs. a poor one for you?

A team that has strong reading and writing abilities and a culture that promotes documentation and decentralization of work through tickets or some other form. Vs A culture that will always prefer an hour long zoom meeting to a 2 minute exchange on stack. A zoom based culture is one that hasn't fully walked away from the office.

Hasn’t fully walked away from the office and probably hasn’t learned that “management by meeting” is probably an indicator that management isn’t sure what they’re managing for. Probably.

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Post by noitsnot »

confidantlake wrote: post #315

Does everyone else get multiple recruitment emails a week from Amazon? I get more recruitment emails from them than all other companies combined. Even when I suspended my linkedin I am still getting emails.

I applied years back and now get them once in a while when they decided to go full WFM maybe 6 months back. They make the email seem like a manager is interested in your skillset for a specific role, etc but it is clearly an automated template.

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Post by jorblumesea »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #317
baby wrote: post #276

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I have this theory that one of the contributing factors to the "I don't want to go to the office" trend in the US (which I'm part of), is that cities are also not made for commuting. Coming from Europe, where public transport is really practical, and cities are built for density, your commute is often much less cumbersome AND you can enjoy some social life after work since you're in the city. Here (the bay) it was ju…

I've never lived in the US, so I can't comment on the commute situation there, but I live and work in Paris proper and one of the main reasons "I don't want to go to the office" is the commute. I need 30-45 minutes to get there, and our public transit system is supposedly good. But the metro's still too crowded, dirty, smelly, etc. And I even usually avoid rush hour and take an automated, hassle-free line. Commuting…

This is fairly similar to the US commute in terms of time and annoyance.

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Post by wizwit999 »

atlgator wrote: post #143

Are they still forcing recruits to travel to Seattle for a loop interview or have they gone virtual? I interviewed a few years ago and the cross-country travel was tiresome. Also, my room at the Inn at the WAC smelled like mold. Not an experience I care to repeat.

Been fully virtual since covid.

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Post by Talanes »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #317
baby wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have this theory that one of the contributing factors to the "I don't want to go to the office" trend in the US (which I'm part of), is that cities are also not made for commuting. Coming from Europe, where public transport is really practical, and cities are built for density, your commute is often much less cumbersome AND you can enjoy some social life after work since you're in the city. Here (the bay) it was ju…

I've never lived in the US, so I can't comment on the commute situation there, but I live and work in Paris proper and one of the main reasons "I don't want to go to the office" is the commute. I need 30-45 minutes to get there, and our public transit system is supposedly good. But the metro's still too crowded, dirty, smelly, etc. And I even usually avoid rush hour and take an automated, hassle-free line. Commuting…

I'm actually wondering what you consider not a long commute if 30 minutes hits the threshold. I've known plenty of people who have longer commutes driving directly from home to work.
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