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Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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This seems like a strategy designed to kill airframes via sheer number of pressurization cycles?

> This seems like a strategy designed to kill airframes via sheer number of pressurization cycles? That's what planes are for - to use them. They are not museum pieces to be preserved.

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Juan Browne, a commercial pilot and prolific YouTuber, says there is understaffing all through the organization: https://youtu.be/kO39nIcuPhQ

He says even low wage workers are in short supply and are working lots of overtime. He also says previously laid off pilots are backlogged in training to bring them back into working.

He also says the vaccine mandate is a problem. Browne is fully vaccinated and has no objections. He thinks no rational pilot will give up their salary over this. But, his analysis is that the vaccine mandate is an extra irritant in a fragile situation.

This is a nuanced and detailed analysis, but I'm not sure that is a entirely correct. Other airlines with similar pilot issues are not failing this way. Why just Southwest?

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Sorry, I forgot a word there. Post now edited. I meant, "when this COBOL gig ends", not "when this COBOL ends" which is what I initially typed. I agree that COBOL will outlive a lot of these modern flash-in-the-pan frameworks. However, the number of COBOL jobs will dwindle over time, and if I took a theoretical COBOL job today it's not clear to me that I would be particularly employable if/when that job ended. Partic…

>OK, but how employable are you at that point? >It's going to take some significant effort to catch back up. You got 2x (or whatever) the salary until then. That should give you plenty of time to catch up. Currently anybody is employed anyways if one knows how to use a keyboard. I don't think that is ending anytime soon.

    You got 2x (or whatever) the salary until then. 
    That should give you plenty of time to catch up. 
You can catch up, but your resume can't.

Let's say you take a cushy COBOL job for X years and then spend Y years on your own "catching up."

At that point you're pretty proficient in whatever the trendy thing is at that time.

But what do recruiters see? They see, "this person hasn't worked with anything modern in X+Y years, and hasn't even had a job in Y years"

It can be overcome, but... not ideal.

    Currently anybody is employed anyways if one knows 
    how to use a keyboard. I don't think that is ending
    anytime soon. 
It might still be that way in X+Y years. It might not.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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They used to be a low-cost carrier but they're pretty average now in terms of cost. They've been replaced at the lower-end by Spirit.

They're no longer low cost because of service erosion at the main carriers (squeezing more seats in, getting rid of baggage allowances, etc.). As a result of that erosion and southwest's holding the line, they are now one of the higher quality carriers (and some would say one of the best!). An interesting course of events to get us here...

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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I find it hilarious that you are echoing made up statistics about black New Yorkers to claim that I, a black man who grew up in New York, is living in an ivory tower. Only when black people are tool to prove a political point is when you start caring about healthcare for black New Yorkers.

The stat doesn't seem to be (entirely) made up. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-bl... > Young Black New Yorkers are especially reluctant to get vaccinated, even as the Delta variant is rapidly spreading among their ranks. City data shows that only 28 percent of Black New Yorkers ages 18 to 44 years are fully vaccinated, compared with 48 percent of Latino residents and 52 percent of white res…

That is probably misleading because it only addresses one tiny portion of the tirade the other poster went on.

Are many folks hesitant to get it? Yes. Is it for the reasons mentioned? Who knows.

One thing is clear - lots of people are doing things that are getting them in deep, deep pain because of BS, rumor mongering, and fear. It’s pretty terrible.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Southwest is literally the poster child of low cost carriers. They started the whole business model, which consists of a few things: * they operate literally one type of aircraft, and therefore only have to train their crew once, keep the specific set of parts, etc. * they optimize the hell out of making sure their planes are in use carrying paying passengers for the maximum amount of time * they fly a vast network o…

They used to be a low-cost carrier but they're pretty average now in terms of cost. They've been replaced at the lower-end by Spirit.

Spirit & Frontier (and Ryanair in Europe among others) are actually classed as ULCC's (ultra low cost), where everything is nickel and dimed.

At the higher end, it certainly isn't necessarily the best any more, but I do think that's mostly because Southwest has kept to its two free checked bags, whereas the major carriers now make significant revenues from checked bag fees.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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It's long term impacts are completely unknown. It's a pandemic that is already endemic. It's the theft of people's livelihoods by forcing irreversible medical procedures that they've determined they don't need and wont' give their informed consent for. To anyone still pushing vax mandates, you're a fucking monster.

Sounds like someone is losing their mind, and it probably has little to do with any facts or what is going on with the vaccine.

Vaccine mandates have existed since shortly after vaccines existed, and for good reason. Because otherwise thousands or millions of people end up dead that didn’t need to, often completely innocent folks who never even had a choice in the matter, and often horribly to boot.

Huge numbers of folks have had these vaccines and the fatality rates and serious hospitalizations have plummeted because of it.

I had the vaccine, everyone I know has had the vaccine - zero serious problems whatsoever. And for me personally, when I had to take care of my 2 year old because he caught covid, so I had a highly infectious toddler screaming in my face for hours sometimes? It probably saved my life. It definitely saved my father in laws life.

It still sucked though.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Southwest is lucky we don't have the same consumer protection laws in the U.S. as E.U. citizens have. If we did, they'd be paying out to passengers big time this weekend. (Or, more realistically, they would have taken better precautions to prevent an event like this from happening in the first place.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Compensation_Regulation

Interestingly, there might be something similar for the US:

> If your flight is cancelled and you choose to cancel your trip as a result, you are entitled to a refund for the unused transportation – even for non-refundable tickets. You are also entitled to a refund for any bag fee that you paid, and any extras you may have purchased, such as a seat assignment.

From https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer....

Though compensation for delays, not so much.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Southwest Airlines, passengers claim different causes for cancellations https://www.khou.com/article/news/national/southwest-airline... > The nationwide cancellations came as the airline announced Monday that the company will now require employees to get the COVID-19 vaccinated by Dec. 8. > Some customers said they were told the cancellations are a direct result of the vaccine mandate. > “I asked them specifically 'i…

> They also said that air traffic control had a massive walkout because of the vaccine mandate This doesn't make any sense at all. If a vaccine-mandate induced ATC walkout was the cause, all air carriers would be disrupted, not just Southwest. I suspect this is someone pitching his own views about a situation he doesn't know the true cause of.

There's also public statements from the JAX ATC saying that their absentee rate was normal and that most of the employees that were out that day were out because of mandatory time off for _getting the vaccine_.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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> Distributed systems are usually more robust against disruption that centralized ones Distributed systems can also be more complex to re-converge after a major disruption. I'd imagine it's non-trivial to re-plan a network, given equipment and crew limitations. And as context, we're talking about 24 hours later, now?

Yeah. Part of Southwest‘s high utilization rate is their ability to turn around planes and crew quickly. In the event of widespread disruption, planes will not make it to their next airport to become a different flight, nor will their crew. Crew can also only be awake and working for a limit of time, so if the disruption causes a crew to go over that limit they are not going out until the next day, etc. With cloud co…

But not using the same plane would not make it any better, neither would using a hub - that's my point. This is a common problem, but the properties outlined in the parent post which are supposedly specific to SW do not make the problem worse.
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