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Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by XorNot »

strawhatguy wrote: post #94
ryandrake wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The words “tyranny” and “authoritarian” have become so overused since 2020 it’s almost comical. All over the English speaking world, not just Australia. Every little thing an authority does that someone doesn’t like is now called tyranny. Masks are tyranny. Vaccines are tyranny. Kicking a jerk out of your store is tyranny. The word has been watered down and exaggerated to the point of meaninglessness. After the boy c…

Why, it's almost like said authority ought to do less, and order less, doesn't it? Like people should be asked, rather than told? The nerve!

You have never had a right to do whatever you want on someone else's private premises, and the number of Americans in America - land of the gated community - who forget this selectively is staggering.

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Post by user123456780 »

pentae wrote: post #139
stephen_g wrote: post #14

It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

As an Australian I respectfully disagree with you and agree with the article - most Australians just don't care. I've consistently mentioned this to my Australian friends, colleagues, family members for about 10 years now and it's always met with complacency. Most people don't care, some people care but won't do anything about it, and some people think that "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry abo…

> Most people don't care, some people care but won't do anything about it, and some people think that "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry about". Most Australians trust the government will do the right thing.

I think that is because of media portraying these laws as a positive thing. Almost exactly the line you're talking about. I'm pretty sure I have heard politicians saying exactly: "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry about"

Its a sad but true fact that 99% of Australians (probably rest of the western world) only gets their ongoing education (beyond high school/bachelors in a specific industry) from the mainstream media. And we have close enough to dictator level of media diversity pushing a single narrative. Its not wonder people dont care about their privacy being eroded.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by javagram »

na85 wrote: post #125
javagram wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems less heinous than spreading a dangerous virus and killing hundreds or thousands of citizens? We’ve seen other countries try that approach (e.g. here in the USA) and it clearly harms society and has led to massive suffering and loss of life. Considering this is being trialed as an alternative to being locked under guard in a hotel or cabin for two weeks, it’s actually less invasive too…

>Seems less heinous than spreading a dangerous virus and killing hundreds or thousands of citizens? Since when is the choice between "in-home photo surveillance" and "intentionally spreading COVID"?

Since that’s not the choice: people will spread covid whether “intentionally” or not without a strong border control and quarantine system.

Almost every country was hit hard by covid except those who stopped it at the border.

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Post by paranoidrobot »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #147
paranoidrobot wrote: post #120

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Violence is always a choice. Choose that, and suffer the consequences.

The problem is that when you make protests illegal and meet them with riot police only the most hardened/radical protesters will turn up. Of course there will end up being a little bit of violence. And to address the wider point of violence in protests is it not sometimes necessary? If you believe your government has become tyrannical and they are willing to use force against you then what other option do you have?

> The problem is that when you make protests illegal and meet them with riot police

You've got that arse-about.

They were met with regular uniformed police, like in the BLM protests that happened multiple times in the last 12-18 months.

The BLM protesters managed to remain peaceful, didn't assault reporters, bystanders, or police, and didn't damage property. They protested, and then dispersed on their own.

All while protests were illegal.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by brystarg »

bobbytit wrote: post #72
aazaa wrote: post #41

> The growing surveillance powers in Australia have been in the spotlight recently following the passage of the Identify and Disrupt bill last month. This handed “extraordinary” new powers to the Australian Federal Police and the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission, allowing them to access three new warrants to access the computers and networks of those suspected of conducting criminal activity, “disrupt” the…

Australia is a fake democracy so our citizens are powerless to do anything about it. Our politicians are chosen by corrupt ethnic branch stackers. The globalists have succeeded in dividing and conquering Australia through the trojan horse of multiculturalism.

as a non-white Australian immigrant, what is this trojan horse of multiculturalism you are talking about?

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Post by javagram »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #117
javagram wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems less heinous than spreading a dangerous virus and killing hundreds or thousands of citizens? We’ve seen other countries try that approach (e.g. here in the USA) and it clearly harms society and has led to massive suffering and loss of life. Considering this is being trialed as an alternative to being locked under guard in a hotel or cabin for two weeks, it’s actually less invasive too…

And this is the problem with slippery slopes. I find the facial recognition gps tracking apps to be horribly intrusive and not a good alternative to being locked up in a hotel, which is also awful. They always pull this crap, and society ends up accepting the lesser of two evils. Like the meme, always has been.

Centuries ago, people had to be locked up for 40 or 50 days on a small ship (the original “quarantine”) to prevent spreading disease before they’d be allowed in.

Modern technology reducing it to 14 days and a few photos in the comfort of your home seems an improvement, not a slippery slope.

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Post by 0xdeadb00f »

pentae wrote: post #139
stephen_g wrote: post #14

It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

As an Australian I respectfully disagree with you and agree with the article - most Australians just don't care. I've consistently mentioned this to my Australian friends, colleagues, family members for about 10 years now and it's always met with complacency. Most people don't care, some people care but won't do anything about it, and some people think that "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry abo…

I know people who go so far the other way. They don't vote because they think it's all rigged. They don't follow politics so they think all the parties are the same.

It's moronic. I try to explain but I'm met with looks like _I'm_ the moron.

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Post by postingawayonhn »

nhinck wrote: post #150
postingawayonhn wrote: post #148

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Yes it is. In Victoria there are only 4 reasons to leave your home and gatherings are heavily restricted.

So you can leave your house and meet up with 9 other people and protest for up to four hours? Please point out where protesting is illegal.

I just checked and it's now 6 reasons rather than 4 but the point stands. These are the reasons to leave home:

* Shopping for necessary goods and services

* Caregiving or medical care

* Authorised work or education

* Exercise (limit of 4 hours a day)

* Social interaction (included in the same 4 hour limit above)

* To get a vaccination

As you will see protest is not a permitted reason to leave home.

Even if a protest of 10 people was permitted that's not a serious argument. Basically all protests aim for strength in numbers.

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Post by [deleted] »

tjmc wrote: post #131
chroem- wrote: post #3

It's been an odd experience having a few Australian HN posters attempt to rationalize to me why their police are justified in shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets, and why it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in their own residences. I guess strict authoritarianism must be accompanied with equally strict media propaganda.

Why is it normal for Americans to wear a monitoring bracelet on their ankle at home? See what I did there? Please don't spread deliberate misinformation.

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Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by askvictor »

0xy wrote: post #121
caf wrote: post #74

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We absolutely can blame the LNP, because they are the Goverment, they draft the laws, they introduce them as Government bills in the parliament, they put them on the notice paper, they determine the sitting schedule that allows them to be debated and passed, they have the majority on the House committees that scrutinise them and they direct the Governor-General to provide royal assent. They also are the the Ministers…

How is one party responsible for a bipartisan bill? The opposition vehemently support surveillance laws and have voted for them repeatedly.

They have done this so they're not portrayed as soft on terror by the (mainly Murdoch) media. Yes, they're complicit, but I doubt they would have instigated this level of law if they were in power (though it's not out of the question).
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