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Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by jay_kyburz »

hulahoof wrote: post #39
afarviral wrote: post #30

I live in NZ and feel that commentors of our govts approach overstate the level of authoritarianism we're experiencing. Its not universal but it feels more like the majority of people recognize that lockdowns and other restrictions are for the greater good. If you are arrested you are not going to be "disapeared", you will be processed like anyone else breaking a law. While we might collectively trust the current ele…

At least in Australia and for myself personally, I am not worried about how we are being treated _now_, I am worried about the powers that have the capacity to be abused in the future without a legal standing for opposition.

I feel the need to point out that you are probably not concerned about your treatment now because you have no power and are of no consequence.

If you were a senior public servant and had uncovered some wrong doing in your, or any other department, you would care.

If you were a journalist and writing a story that could embarrass somebody with power, you would care.

If you were in the military and a witness war crimes, you would care.

Even if you were a lawyer working to represent somebody, anybody with any power, you would care.

People are being "disappeared" and legal proceedings conducted in secret. We found out about Witness K. What haven't we heard about?

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by bobbytit »

aazaa wrote: post #41

> The growing surveillance powers in Australia have been in the spotlight recently following the passage of the Identify and Disrupt bill last month. This handed “extraordinary” new powers to the Australian Federal Police and the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission, allowing them to access three new warrants to access the computers and networks of those suspected of conducting criminal activity, “disrupt” the…

Australia is a fake democracy so our citizens are powerless to do anything about it. Our politicians are chosen by corrupt ethnic branch stackers. The globalists have succeeded in dividing and conquering Australia through the trojan horse of multiculturalism.

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Post by paranoidrobot »

AndrewBissell wrote: post #22
_kbh_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason we have such low deaths is because of the measures in place. They are slowly changing as vaccination targets are met and life should be back to normalish by December.

How will the Australian state's vaccination targets be met without maintaining the restrictions which are used to coerce people into getting vaccinated? Things might be somewhat relaxed by December just because it's summer in Australia, but I have a hard time seeing you go the way of "just live with it like the flu" like Denmark or Singapore over the long term.

Australia has a traditionally high rate of vaccination.

The biggest problems are a huge focus on the risks of AstraZeneca, and the overall lack of availability of Vaccines.

The vaccine rollout is progressing well, despite the rocky start and general fuckups by the federal government.

We're on track for 70% double-dosed by 24th of October, and 80% by 7th of November[1].

Those are the two major figures for rolling-back restrictions that were put in place. Individual states are varying on their own internal restrictions.

So, you can see that coercion isn't required.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-inter...

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Post by caf »

ImTheMaddest wrote: post #33
stephen_g wrote: post #14

It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

We can't blame the LNP for all of this. All of the surveillance related bills passed in the last 10 years have been bipartisan. I'd also go as far as to say this is what Australians want. Many people believe these laws won't be used against regular citizens and will assist in law enforcement efforts.

We absolutely can blame the LNP, because they are the Goverment, they draft the laws, they introduce them as Government bills in the parliament, they put them on the notice paper, they determine the sitting schedule that allows them to be debated and passed, they have the majority on the House committees that scrutinise them and they direct the Governor-General to provide royal assent.

They also are the the Ministers that promulgate regulations under those bills and direct their Departments to implement them.

The LNP owns this.

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Post by paranoidrobot »

6nf wrote: post #56
ntSean wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Melbourne, the most locked down city in the world. We have substantially lower death rates than Florida, which has a comparable population. Florida: 3,600,000 covid cases 56,667 deaths Melbourne: 54,470 covid cases 913 deaths This remains true for the rest of Australia. Unfortunately, we are in a remarkable position compared to many parts of the world.

Florida population is 21 million, Australia is 26 million. AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives, that's 4 million dollars per life saved. The median covid death is 85 years old. We spent 4 million dollars to save one 85 year old person for a few more years.

> AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives

You keep quoting 300 billion, where are you getting that from?

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by stephen_g »

vel0city wrote: post #66
ImTheMaddest wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can't blame the LNP for all of this. All of the surveillance related bills passed in the last 10 years have been bipartisan. I'd also go as far as to say this is what Australians want. Many people believe these laws won't be used against regular citizens and will assist in law enforcement efforts.

Laws are always used to prosecute criminals. The tricky thing is the definition of criminal can quickly be changed to include you.

Or with the Access and Disrupt bill, it’s no longer much of a stretch to ‘add and modify’ some illegal material onto your computers and devices…

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Post by javagram »

6nf wrote: post #56
ntSean wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Melbourne, the most locked down city in the world. We have substantially lower death rates than Florida, which has a comparable population. Florida: 3,600,000 covid cases 56,667 deaths Melbourne: 54,470 covid cases 913 deaths This remains true for the rest of Australia. Unfortunately, we are in a remarkable position compared to many parts of the world.

Florida population is 21 million, Australia is 26 million. AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives, that's 4 million dollars per life saved. The median covid death is 85 years old. We spent 4 million dollars to save one 85 year old person for a few more years.

The median covid death is 85 years old? Where did you get that number? https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...

Using the US dataset as an example of mortality when covid-19 is allowed to spread unrestricted in a population, 700,952 died. Only 193k were 85 and older, so the median covid death must be younger than that - in the lower end of the 74-85 age cohort where another 185k have died.

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by stephen_g »

ImTheMaddest wrote: post #33
stephen_g wrote: post #14

It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

We can't blame the LNP for all of this. All of the surveillance related bills passed in the last 10 years have been bipartisan. I'd also go as far as to say this is what Australians want. Many people believe these laws won't be used against regular citizens and will assist in law enforcement efforts.

Yes, well that’s why I want some good independents (even Greens would be better than what we have now) holding the balance of power. The two party system isn’t working.

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Post by 6nf »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #75
6nf wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Florida population is 21 million, Australia is 26 million. AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives, that's 4 million dollars per life saved. The median covid death is 85 years old. We spent 4 million dollars to save one 85 year old person for a few more years.

> AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives You keep quoting 300 billion, where are you getting that from?

https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm Please explain how am I using this number incorrectly? What is the correct number I should be using instead?
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