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Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by cheesecake_luvr »

hulahoof wrote: post #35

The problem is that it is very easy to have a decent life here in Australia. We have never had to feel the full force of the repercussions of our voting or policies and as such there is an apathy towards the direction of government policies, at least within my age group - "I don't care they can have my meme's" or some variation of "I have nothing to hide" is the most common attitude. Unfortunately, by the time the ef…

If you have good, progressive ideas and have time and energy, run for parliament. If Hanson, Katter, Christensen and all the other useless junk can get in, you have a chance. We do need a real progressive alternative in politics. Greens are good, but we need more.

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Post by ceejayoz »

chroem- wrote: post #8
vkou wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's normal for a quarantine. Would you prefer to be locked up in supervised quarantine[1][2][3], instead? [1] https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/quarantine-stations-us.html [2] https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/historyquarantine.html [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine#Modern_history

Anyone who has crossed state lines in the last two weeks is required to follow those quarantine measures. They have fewer than 10 deaths per state combined with very high vaccination rates. From the outside looking in, it seems wholly unjustified.

> They have fewer than 10 deaths per state combined with very high vaccination rates. From the outside looking in, it seems wholly unjustified.

“That car is running really well. Why don’t we dismantle the engine?”

Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by ntSean »

ImTheMaddest wrote: post #33
stephen_g wrote: post #14

It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

We can't blame the LNP for all of this. All of the surveillance related bills passed in the last 10 years have been bipartisan. I'd also go as far as to say this is what Australians want. Many people believe these laws won't be used against regular citizens and will assist in law enforcement efforts.

It isn't the LNP or ALP which decide which security laws are implemented.

If you'd like an explainer on how security laws such as TOLA are enacted, this channel is a great resource:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu4rT3-GcHgLIHyrzA8RWzA

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Post by paranoidrobot »

chroem- wrote: post #3

It's been an odd experience having a few Australian HN posters attempt to rationalize to me why their police are justified in shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets, and why it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in their own residences. I guess strict authoritarianism must be accompanied with equally strict media propaganda.

> shooting people who leave their homes with rubber bullets,

Talk about misrepresenting facts to mislead.

People who were rioting were met with force. These protesters weren't being peaceful, they were attacking camera crews and reporters. They were assaulting police officers.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/21/victo...

> it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in their own residences

It's not.

If you're talking about the quarantine system that's under trial, yeah, I'm not particularly keen on that either. It's optional. You can choose to stay in hotel quarantine instead.

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Post by 6nf »

ntSean wrote: post #46
6nf wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia spent 300 billion in one year on the covid response, and what do we have to show for it?

I live in Melbourne, the most locked down city in the world. We have substantially lower death rates than Florida, which has a comparable population. Florida: 3,600,000 covid cases 56,667 deaths Melbourne: 54,470 covid cases 913 deaths This remains true for the rest of Australia. Unfortunately, we are in a remarkable position compared to many parts of the world.

Florida population is 21 million, Australia is 26 million. AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives, that's 4 million dollars per life saved.

The median covid death is 85 years old. We spent 4 million dollars to save one 85 year old person for a few more years.

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Post by na85 »

k1t wrote: post #11
na85 wrote: post #7

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>why it's normal to be required to take surveillance photos of themselves in their own residences. Say what? Got a link?

Might be this: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/how-will-south-austra... https://katv.com/news/coronavirus/new-program-tracks-quarant... [Home quarantining] participants will receive advice via the smartphone app as to their obligation at random times to provide the selfie back to the public health teams. Should that not be responded to in a period of time, follow up calls or visits are made so as to make sure…

That's heinous.

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Post by waddlesworth »

stephen_g wrote: post #14

It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

I absolutely agree with you, although I'm a little more optimistic.

2PP has Labor winning the next election. Some key figures in the Liberal party (Frydenberg, Hunt) have some tough campaigns ahead of them after the massive bias against their home state that's been on display.

Then there's the whole friendlyjordies thing, which I've heard commentary about in circles where I would have never expected it.

I don't know if the usual election lies will cut it this time.

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Post by chroem- »

ceejayoz wrote: post #53
chroem- wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who has crossed state lines in the last two weeks is required to follow those quarantine measures. They have fewer than 10 deaths per state combined with very high vaccination rates. From the outside looking in, it seems wholly unjustified.

> They have fewer than 10 deaths per state combined with very high vaccination rates. From the outside looking in, it seems wholly unjustified. “That car is running really well. Why don’t we dismantle the engine?”

Excellent: you have achieved orders of magnitude fewer deaths than the annual cold and flu season. But at what cost? You have also surrendered your entire society to an enforcement apparatus that looks like it was taken straight out of a work of mid 20th century dystopian fiction.
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