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Pro rata is a bad term for founders

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Re: Pro rata is a bad term for founders

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post #10

One possible reason for pro-rata term that I don't see mentioned is preventing dilution due to an underpriced round. But since most of the time investors have to agree anyway to a new round that seems a minor concern.

Do you mean in a down round or just a round at a low price?

In my experience, any down round requires massive changes to ownership across the cap table, previous rights or not. The only way to stop this is with even more onerous terms that one doesn't normally see in VC term sheets.

Re: Pro rata is a bad term for founders

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is exactly why the post was written. Aaron isn't saying that YC has a great pro-rata program. I took his writing as stating that he thinks it needs to be reconsidered, and that it is bad as it currently stands.

Yep, odd is probably the wrong word, I just find the specific transferability term egregious.

> the specific transferability term egregious

Why? It has to do purely with the fund's internal structure. Affiliate transfers shouldn't have any material effect on a company. Withholding automatic affiliate transfers would be the company creating needless work for itself.

Re: Pro rata is a bad term for founders

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> Crazy! This is valuable term! Investors should have to pay more to get it On the flip side, I'd love for a founder to give me a discount for agreeing to take out these boilerplate terms I have--as an angel investor--zero interest in adversarially leveraging.

I like this!

I guess the founders would mostly argue that boilerplate is the price of admission for angels these days. But it would be great to see it work this way.

Re: Pro rata is a bad term for founders

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One thing not mentioned here is that for very tiny investors, pro rata is a right that can protect against aggression from later, more highly resourced funders.

If the company is scaling quickly, and looks like it could have a good return, a later stage investor could come in and cause massive dilution in the cap table by issuing many shares and granting some amount to the employees and founders. If I had pro rata, I could have a proportional share of the funding, and even if in the likely case I didn’t have the capital I could likely raise it, and at least get some share of the upside.

Re: Pro rata is a bad term for founders

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I don't agree with this, pro-rata rights protect investors from dilutionary events which they have no control over. I guess that's one-sided in the way that any "right" is in a legal contract, but that's a weird way to frame it.

It's also incorrect to frame the option as "free", you're only observing market behavior in a world in which the option exists, not one in which it doesn't exist. You can't say that investors would have the exact same behavior (in terms of prices, terms, etc) in a world in which they rarely or never got pro-rata. Maybe, but probably not.

Re: Pro rata is a bad term for founders

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It is interesting to me that the argument is over terms while admitting that "Contracts aren’t worth spit.".

Power and goodwill are what count.

However, contracts matter once outsiders start getting involved. The contract (hopefully) isn't there to bind the original parties much, but it matters a LOT once someone much more adversarial enters the picture.

Re: Pro rata is a bad term for founders

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It'd be really nice if articles like this began with a definition of the term.

Terms can often be ambiguous so this helps ground the article and ensure everyone is talking about the same thing. There are also plenty of HN readers who have no idea what it refers to that would also benefit greatly.

Re: Pro rata is a bad term for founders

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This is a very candid and transparent article and it is very good of Aaron to spell this out so clearly. It is possible for pro-rata terms to work out well for founders but more often than not it only works to the advantage of investors (because they have more capital by definition) and it stacks the deck against the founders in later rounds (and may make it harder to close a later round!).
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