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Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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This is the other point I wanted to make (but frankly I was too scared that maybe it’s just because I suck at meeting people now that I haven’t socialized like a normal person in a year). It just seems harder to meet people _in general_ than it did even two years ago. Like where is everybody? Does everyone stay home literally all the time now?

People are definitely staying home more. I live in what was once a bustling night life district. It is far less bustling now. I also feel people are sticking more to their core friends and family groups, and venturing out to meet new people less. But that’s more of a personal feeling than something I have quantitatively observed.

Are there still restrictions where you live?

I didn't go anywhere while masks were still required. It's annoying and, sure, I'm sorry for your small business (a nearby business wrote a sign "come and eat here or we'll starve") but I won't bother covering my face just to buy something I can order online, helping my friend Jeff Bezos in the process.

Same with holidays, I'm not coming to your country to relax if I have to wear a mask.

Now that masks are not required in my country I go out as much as I did before.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I’m gonna go against the HN grain here and, despite having been fully for remote work for the first year or so of the pandemic, come out and say that life has really gotten a lot more repetitive and frankly disappointing since covid and the death of the office. I kind of miss meeting people in the office. I was in the unfortunate position of having moved to a new city for a new tech job where I knew nobody just seven…

I think people like you need a new app, something like Tinder for lunch. I personally have no will to move to a high cost of life area and spend 1+ hour on commune just because my coworkers can’t find friends.

The problem you'll find, I think, is that many people will try to use "Tinder for lunch" as if it were just tinder.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I think you're correct, but one thing that is really missing nowadays, especially with phones and the internet, is active communities that exist in real life outside of work. Stuff like the elks lodge, rotary, bowling leagues, etc are just not as common anymore as I believe they used to be. Certainly there are many things that exist, but in a way societally it seems like they don't have very much cache, even as far a…

It seems that to participate in group activities you have to bring friends you have nowadays instead of going out and making friends. My view might be wrong.

truth. went to a gyms happy hour and me and a girl were there alone otherwise everyone else went off in their groups of 3 or 4 they knew already lol.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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The point of the person you are replying to is why do you need this social interaction with people you barely know (because be honest, you don’t really know these people) versus social interaction with your friends?

Because if I'm honest, I do know them. I've been working for several years at the same place, have made friends, had lunch/dinner/beers/coffees, been to weddings, etc. Some of them are not friends, but I am happy to see them, just like I enjoy talking to my butcher or fruit seller. Maybe it's an age/cultural thing, but I'm going to spend quite a bit of time working, so I'd rather do it with people I like. Inevitably,…

Fair enough, I guess it’s just different for everybody. I personally prefer to get my job done as quickly as possible (which is easier without all those interactions) so that I can have the time to go spent it with the people of my choosing and not people that just happens to be next to me.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Going out unnecessary feels socially unacceptable. This is silly if you're vaccinated and not in an unusually high risk group.

I think it’s not a question of what is rational but of how one feels and how one’s social circle feels.

Very true. We're at a bizarre point where for large segments of the population, the actual and self-perceived risks are exactly reversed.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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Shoutout to everyone who keeps reading about the woes of home office, but has to work in hospitals, factories, warehouses, or drive a truck. I enjoy my home office tremendously, but it's still kinda surreal to me how we can all sit at home with our laptops and that somehow keeps the economy going - as if our jobs hadn't been abstract and hyper-specialized already, now some people don't even leave their bed to work.

And yet, the traffic where I live is beyond anything I’ve ever seen. So clearly we’re in the tiniest minority. Most people still have to drive to work, even during a pandemic.

Traffic in and out of the capital here has reached insane levels too, despite most people with compatible jobs getting a deal with only 2 or 3 days at the office since the crisis.

I know quite a few previously using public transportation 5 days a week now driving on "office" days, because they got scared of rush hour crowds.

That and/or the lower car costs no longer justify the savings of using public transportation.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I think people like you need a new app, something like Tinder for lunch. I personally have no will to move to a high cost of life area and spend 1+ hour on commune just because my coworkers can’t find friends.

The problem you'll find, I think, is that many people will try to use "Tinder for lunch" as if it were just tinder.

Bumble BFF exists and works fine in my experience

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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The biggest problem with working from home, especially as it exists in the last 18 months, is that it ruins the entire work/life separation thing. For a long time, large companies like Google and Facebook bribed employees to basically live at work with an influx of perks. Free laundry. Nap rooms. Catered meals. The whole point is for you to never leave so you’ll work more. I think most of us can agree that is unhealt…

> it ruins the entire work/life separation thing.

I actually think this is going to be an interesting aspect : it will significantly affect the demand for housing with separated work/living areas.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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No. People are more eager than ever to meet. I have made more friends than ever before. However, I definitely give new people who are übermaskers a bit of a wide berth mostly out of respect for them.

Can I ask which country you live in and what type of place you go to meet people these days?

I live in San Francisco, CA in the USA.

I have expanded through the friends I made at my first job and through my uni friends and I have a few through my hobbies: ceramics, weightlifting, bicycling, soccer.

Re: Is going to the office a broken way of working?

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I genuinely miss the office. Being in a different space for work (one that was pretty gorgeous), in a nice part of downtown, able to tap people on the shoulder for quick questions rather than having to ping them over chat, more spontaneous collaboration (right before we went remote again I overheard two people discussing an area I have some expertise in and was able to interject and provide useful insight), extra pro…

For those of you who miss the office, what does your life look like outside it? Do you have an active social circle? Do you have regular, sustained, positive interaction with your neighbors (i.e. do you do more than say hello in passing)? Kids who do sports? A long commute or a short one? A house or an apartment? Do you do your own housework or do you hire it out? When you're in the office, where do you work (e.g. private office, cubicle, open plan)?

Prior to working from home (since late 2018), my social circle was limited to the office. After nine years in the same neighborhood, I knew two neighbors (three before the ones next door moved away) and only one who I knew well enough to ask to pet-sit. Work and commuting consumed all of my time. I had a boat I visited once a month (mostly to make sure it still floated), hobbies that sat unnoticed for weeks or months at a time, and a house and garden that were decaying around me; all because I never had time for them. I paid a housekeeper to clean and a lawn service to cut the grass. I never liked the commute, but I did enjoy the office. Lunch with coworkers, happy hour at the bar next to the office, hanging out in the cafeteria or someone's office were all enjoyable activities.

I would never trade a single benefit of working from home to get them back. Double my salary and a short commute (or a chauffeur) might tempt me back for a while (if only because I could then pay people to do a lot of the projects I'd otherwise put off), but it wouldn't keep me.

Work from home has allowed me to:

- not be distracted if I don't want to be. No one is on a speakerphone; there aren't conversations in the hallway; if the espresso machine makes noise, it's because I'm using it. Even having a private office with a solid, lockable door didn't insulate me from office noise the way working from home does (yes, there are more dogs barking, children playing, and lawns being mowed ... but unless I'm in a meeting those noises aren't distracting the way people talking is)

- meet many of my neighbors (helps that they're mostly all working from home too)

- spend more time at the marina. Used to be, I could only do that on weekends

- work on my house. Used to be, I was too tired when I got home, so again limited to weekends

- take a break from work during the day and still be productive on something else (housework, hobbies, etc). Before, taking a break from work meant a visit to the cafeteria or a chat with a coworker. Weeding a garden, washing my car, folding clothes, organizing my tools; all of these are fantastic activities for thinking up solutions to work problems

- go racing every Wednesday night. Before, if I wanted to be at the dock at 5:00, I'd have to leave the office by 3:00. That really wasn't possible. Now I leave my house at 4:45 to be there on time. This, by far has been the biggest impact ... new friends at 36, who knew!

- reclaim two hours of my life from commuting ... sure I could have moved closer to the office, but I tried that once and my next job just took me that much farther from home

- reclaim my evenings because I'm not exhausted from commuting

- work on my schedule. Aside from meetings, I can mostly work when I know I'll be most productive ... either early in the morning or late in the evening. And noone cares if I take a nap at 2:00 every day

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