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Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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This is great and points to how solar in some cases already can facilitate continuous operation without the need for refueling of planes, boats, cars, you name it. Expect this to grow as battery and solar cell tech develops further. My favorites atm are the yachts that are capable of sailing just about anywhere in the world without a drop of fuel. The price is prohibitive, but considering that you might not need a ho…

I've always been kinda fascinated by this solar yacht concept. I wonder now with post-covid remote working options and starlink if you could actually make it work. I do wonder though if sailing the ship is basically a full-time job in itself (navigation channels? Docking at foreign countries? Getting food etc?).

I thought starlink didnt work for mobile connections? I.e. that it had to be registered and operated at a fixed address.

That said, unless you are able to drop anchors, I am guessing that you would spend most of your working hours at a dock or with a partner piloting instead.

Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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I've always been kinda fascinated by this solar yacht concept. I wonder now with post-covid remote working options and starlink if you could actually make it work. I do wonder though if sailing the ship is basically a full-time job in itself (navigation channels? Docking at foreign countries? Getting food etc?).

I thought starlink didnt work for mobile connections? I.e. that it had to be registered and operated at a fixed address. That said, unless you are able to drop anchors, I am guessing that you would spend most of your working hours at a dock or with a partner piloting instead.

> I thought starlink didnt work for mobile connections?

It will not work either far away from the shore.

Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

#113

This is great and points to how solar in some cases already can facilitate continuous operation without the need for refueling of planes, boats, cars, you name it. Expect this to grow as battery and solar cell tech develops further. My favorites atm are the yachts that are capable of sailing just about anywhere in the world without a drop of fuel. The price is prohibitive, but considering that you might not need a ho…

You know, sailing catamarans are a thing, right?

Wind is more consistent than sunshine.

Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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post #71

This is great and points to how solar in some cases already can facilitate continuous operation without the need for refueling of planes, boats, cars, you name it. Expect this to grow as battery and solar cell tech develops further. My favorites atm are the yachts that are capable of sailing just about anywhere in the world without a drop of fuel. The price is prohibitive, but considering that you might not need a ho…

anyone else think it would be super damn fun building solar floating homes like this?

A local company does this, but they are intended to be mostly stationary.

https://www.waterlilyboats.com

Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always been kinda fascinated by this solar yacht concept. I wonder now with post-covid remote working options and starlink if you could actually make it work. I do wonder though if sailing the ship is basically a full-time job in itself (navigation channels? Docking at foreign countries? Getting food etc?).

I thought starlink didnt work for mobile connections? I.e. that it had to be registered and operated at a fixed address. That said, unless you are able to drop anchors, I am guessing that you would spend most of your working hours at a dock or with a partner piloting instead.

I believe this is only temporary and SpaceX has announced plans to roll out different subscription plans (including roaming) in the future.

Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought starlink didnt work for mobile connections? I.e. that it had to be registered and operated at a fixed address. That said, unless you are able to drop anchors, I am guessing that you would spend most of your working hours at a dock or with a partner piloting instead.

> I thought starlink didnt work for mobile connections? It will not work either far away from the shore.

Again I have to believe this is only a temporary restriction.

Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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This is great and points to how solar in some cases already can facilitate continuous operation without the need for refueling of planes, boats, cars, you name it. Expect this to grow as battery and solar cell tech develops further. My favorites atm are the yachts that are capable of sailing just about anywhere in the world without a drop of fuel. The price is prohibitive, but considering that you might not need a ho…

I've always been kinda fascinated by this solar yacht concept. I wonder now with post-covid remote working options and starlink if you could actually make it work. I do wonder though if sailing the ship is basically a full-time job in itself (navigation channels? Docking at foreign countries? Getting food etc?).

I have a 38' steel sloop with 400w of solar + a wind generator on-board.

I'm not a full-time liveaboard, but I have been on-board for the last couple of months and you can definitely make it work.

Sailing is labor intensive, but not in the ways you imagine. Navigation, docking and provisioning are all straightforward.

Where it can sometimes feel like a full-time job is maintenance. Everything on a boat wants to break all the time. Doesn't matter if the vessel is brand new or 40 years old; finding a balance between maintenance and life is difficult.

Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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These planes can compete with Starlink in certain scenarios, for example you can launch them in the event of floods that knock out the regular telecommunications infrastructure.

With Starlink soon having ~global coverage, why bother transporting, launching and servicing these aircraft for a one time thing? I don't see the benefit. Will also be really hard to reach low prices for end user terminals with this approach. Very high quality visual/signals surveillance seems like a much more obvious market fit.

> Very high quality visual/signals surveillance seems like a much more obvious market fit.

Oh, yeah, there are already companies the provide complete surveillance of cities or large areas of cities so that even if a crime scene is discovered hours or days later, they can just go back to that time and track vehicle movement to and from the crime scene to wherever it ends up as long as it's in the same (large) area.

Reducing the cost of the equipment that does the recording of the area will only make it more accessible to more police departments, for better or worse.

Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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To fly through the night, you need energy. I'm wondering if it's more efficient to store it in the batteries, or as stored kinetic energy by flying to a high altitude and descending through the night.

It's a good idea, in principle. But according to the sources I could find, to get enough gravitational potential energy to equal the electrical capacity of Zephyr's batteries, you'd have to lift the entire craft by about 70km. https://www.aviationpros.com/engines-components/aircraft-air... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_Zephyr I can imagine you'd want to take advantage of gravity to a certain extent, but it see…

There's also the fact that this is optimizing for power usage in the air, when really what we'll want to optimize for most likely is power usage while doing some specific task in the air, and that task may necessitate specifics of what altitudes it can function at.

Re: Solar-powered aircraft flown for nearly three weeks without landing

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post #109

Not mentioned in the article, but the li-ion batteries onboard the aircraft have a silicon nanowire anode thus achieving amazing energy density: https://www.amprius.com/2019/10/airbus-partners-with-amprius...

Do you know what sort of density and discharge rates they're talking?
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