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well pick any American politician right of center and check their wikipedia page.
please give an example with quote/s, link/s, and your summary analysis.
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#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
not a fan of China government but in this case I tend to believe them, I've seen Wikipedia volunteers spread actual disinformation in a concerted effort especially on politically charged topics.
That's not what's happening here though. China has for years put enormous effort into promoting its worldview on the China/Taiwan issue in every way it can, even though that worldview contradicts the facts on the ground. Taiwan is de-facto an independent country with its own government and military sovereignty, and the majority of citizens of Taiwan are happy with that arrangement. China saying that Wikipedia Taiwan…
Taiwan (i.e. the ROC) is not a "de-facto" country, it _is_ a country.
I don't get the feeling you're anti-Taiwan, but I think calling Taiwan a "de-facto" implicitly questions its status and should be avoided.
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The West doesn't uniformly advocate the Westphalian system; not even close. On the contrary, it's something that's brought up much more frequently by Russia these days.
Sure, West carves state of exception to interdict Westphalian system with liberal international order to justify intervening in others sovereignty but never the less the core scaffold underpinning current global system at UN is based off Westphalia. Which both PRC and Russia and others who wants west to mind their own business is vocal about maintaining. And really if you think LIO can carve exception for intervening…
> the core scaffold underpinning current global system at UN is based off Westphalia.
Somewhat, but a key change from the League of Nations (which was very Westphalian) to the UN was the UN from the outset grounded Westphalianism as an imperfect expression of, and dependent on, higher ideals such as the right of self-determination, and the UN system has proceeded to flesh out and expand the understanding of the higher principles, and mechanisms for deciding questions of where and when those principles call for deviations from Westphalianism.
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#274(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…
> However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China.
> I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power.
> I wonder if we here in the West are as fair and balanced as we tend to think.
All of that is unquestionably true. But what does it have to do with criticizing China's actions here? The criticism could be coming from anti-China bigots, yet still be entirely legitimate.
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Is Taiwan China though? (mostly non-rhetorical, honest question)
No, it is not. The people of Taiwan don't want any part of CCP China, and in spite of a lot of noise about "One China Policy" the only people arguing right now for reunification are Xi and the cadres.
Uh, the government of Taiwan considers itself a successor of the Republic of China and claims the mainland, just as the PROC/CCP claim Taiwan.
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
well pick any American politician right of center and check their wikipedia page.
Every US politician that anyone would actually know is extreme right, so this is a very big group. Not a very useful classification, you may as well have said "any US politician". Then we get to the point where it is unclear what your actual problem is with their wikipedia pages. The only thing that can be concluded is that you apparently believe the wikipedia page of every US politician is somehow anomalous. It tell…
I mean, most of Republicans on wikipedia are vilified as "far-right conspiracy theorists" and all shades of evil, with links to fake news as source of information (Washington Post for example)
one can argue, that if MSM spreads disinfo what can you expect from wikipedians, but the problem is their "power editors" and admins are a small clique with very particular political bias, it's just another echo chamber
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I have 0 clue why in the 1970s we didn't make it a de jure situation, like with Korea, like with Vietnam. China wanted the UN seat, right? Would they really turn that down because the US insisted on saying some shit about Taiwan? When they were kinda broke and caught between us and Soviets? Did the KMT really not want to give up "Republic of China", even if it meant being relegated to non-country status? Does it even…
The vote to replace Taiwan with PRC in UN was in the General Assembly. US did not have enough votes there to force PRC to do anything, nor did it have the power to veto. US did attempt to block it by claiming that it is an "important question" under Article 18 of the UN Charter - specifically, that it counted as expulsion of a member. This was rejected on the basis that no member was actually expelled: China was a me…
Thanks, this helps clarify what happened. I thought it be a institution where the security console had special powers.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, West carves state of exception to interdict Westphalian system with liberal international order to justify intervening in others sovereignty but never the less the core scaffold underpinning current global system at UN is based off Westphalia. Which both PRC and Russia and others who wants west to mind their own business is vocal about maintaining. And really if you think LIO can carve exception for intervening…
> the core scaffold underpinning current global system at UN is based off Westphalia. Somewhat, but a key change from the League of Nations (which was very Westphalian) to the UN was the UN from the outset grounded Westphalianism as an imperfect expression of, and dependent on, higher ideals such as the right of self-determination, and the UN system has proceeded to flesh out and expand the understanding of the highe…
> UN system has proceeded to flesh out
Which are result of spectrum of efforts spearheaded by LIO bloc post "end of history" to depart from status quo, that non LIO bloc others have actively defended against. Hence you have non LIO blocs rejecting western NGO consultative status and human rights committees, and in this case wikipedia at WIPO because those are tools weaponized by LIO powers to undermine Westphalian sovereignty. Currently, LIO takeover has stalled thanks to ascending PRC and other non LIO powers learning to outgame the west. Itself met with efforts Trump undermining or stalling these institutions in response. But Wesphalianism is still at the heart of the current order, which many in LIO wants to scrap/reform because it no longer disproportionate represents LIO interests, along with exasperated cries that UN is worthless simply because it now represents more global voices and interests. But until those reforms or replacement occurres, the westphalian framework at UN is still what the global community operates around.
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LIO functionally cannot be global organizing principle by virtue of excluding non LIO countries which is vast plurality of current nations. It's a club based off exclusivity not cooperation. Westphalian sovereignty has criticisms and challenges but it's also the minimum standard endorsed by most countries. LIO already has offshoots from global order and operate as a fragments of various multi/mini lateral frame works but it's not replacement for UN where principle of non-interference is still basis for international relations.
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#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the core scaffold underpinning current global system at UN is based off Westphalia. Somewhat, but a key change from the League of Nations (which was very Westphalian) to the UN was the UN from the outset grounded Westphalianism as an imperfect expression of, and dependent on, higher ideals such as the right of self-determination, and the UN system has proceeded to flesh out and expand the understanding of the highe…
> UN system has proceeded to flesh out Which are result of spectrum of efforts spearheaded by LIO bloc post "end of history" to depart from status quo, that non LIO bloc others have actively defended against. Hence you have non LIO blocs rejecting western NGO consultative status and human rights committees, and in this case wikipedia at WIPO because those are tools weaponized by LIO powers to undermine Westphalian so…
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#280Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not what's happening here though. China has for years put enormous effort into promoting its worldview on the China/Taiwan issue in every way it can, even though that worldview contradicts the facts on the ground. Taiwan is de-facto an independent country with its own government and military sovereignty, and the majority of citizens of Taiwan are happy with that arrangement. China saying that Wikipedia Taiwan…
Taiwan (i.e. the ROC) is not a "de-facto" country, it _is_ a country. I don't get the feeling you're anti-Taiwan, but I think calling Taiwan a "de-facto" implicitly questions its status and should be avoided.
I'm reasonably certain the "de-facto" wording is used as Taiwan isn't actually recognised formally and fully as an independent country internationally. Thats not to say it shouldn't be, but it acknowledges the current truth.