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Blue Origin: Toxic, dysfunctional ‘bro culture’, low morale and delays

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Re: Blue Origin: Toxic, dysfunctional ‘bro culture’, low morale and delays

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I had a one hour phone interview one of their engineering managers a few years ago and I thought everything was going well but he said to my face that I'm not a suitable candidate for then. I don't know about their work culture.

Do you consider it a bad thing that he said that "to your face" rather then receiving a generic rejection letter (or being ghosted)?

Yeah, I'd prefer the immediate feedback, even if it stung in the moment, much better to know sooner rather than later.

Re: Blue Origin: Toxic, dysfunctional ‘bro culture’, low morale and delays

#12
post #4

It's not at all surprising there would be a counterproductive culture. Rockery isn't commerce. The management style which may result in excellence in commerce isn't the same that will do well in rocketry. It stems from Bezos and we know all the bad complaints that has produced. That said, can we get away from lazy shortcuts like 'bro culture' even if it's a juicy quote? Imagine someone said hick culture or urban cult…

"bro culture" is often used because it immediately evokes for most people that very familiar casually sexist environment that is tolerant of sexual harassment and intolerant of those who report inappropriate behavior. A workplace where "the guys" are loose and relaxed around each other, but when a women comes around they either tighten up around the "outsider" or often eventually cross boundaries with the woman. I feel like everyone can relate to a period of their life where they worked at a place with "bro culture."

Other terms like "rape culture" and simply calling the atmosphere "sexist" often will be derided as extreme or hyperbolic. I think the accusation of "bro culture" is more palatable and harder to dismiss, if for no other reason than its instant familiarity.

Re: Blue Origin: Toxic, dysfunctional ‘bro culture’, low morale and delays

#13

I had a one hour phone interview one of their engineering managers a few years ago and I thought everything was going well but he said to my face that I'm not a suitable candidate for then. I don't know about their work culture.

I would never say this in an interview, but I’ve had several candidates ask how they did in an interview when I opened it up for questions. Some people want an immediate answer. But agreed, their behavior seems against professional norms.

Re: Blue Origin: Toxic, dysfunctional ‘bro culture’, low morale and delays

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post #4

It's not at all surprising there would be a counterproductive culture. Rockery isn't commerce. The management style which may result in excellence in commerce isn't the same that will do well in rocketry. It stems from Bezos and we know all the bad complaints that has produced. That said, can we get away from lazy shortcuts like 'bro culture' even if it's a juicy quote? Imagine someone said hick culture or urban cult…

I spent time trying to understand what that phrase specifically meant. Given the context of the article I think they're using the 'misogynist' definition. It sounds like you've gone with the 'straight white entitled male' definition. The ambiguity, which is probably intentional, makes the phrase even more problematic.

Re: Blue Origin: Toxic, dysfunctional ‘bro culture’, low morale and delays

#17
post #4

It's not at all surprising there would be a counterproductive culture. Rockery isn't commerce. The management style which may result in excellence in commerce isn't the same that will do well in rocketry. It stems from Bezos and we know all the bad complaints that has produced. That said, can we get away from lazy shortcuts like 'bro culture' even if it's a juicy quote? Imagine someone said hick culture or urban cult…

I read a criticism of one of my former employers that mentioned "bro culture" and honestly had no idea what it was referring to. It may have been legitimate, but like you say, without some kind of explanation it's a throwaway like "toxic" that could be a serious issue or could just be decisions you don't like.

Re: Blue Origin: Toxic, dysfunctional ‘bro culture’, low morale and delays

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post #4

It's not at all surprising there would be a counterproductive culture. Rockery isn't commerce. The management style which may result in excellence in commerce isn't the same that will do well in rocketry. It stems from Bezos and we know all the bad complaints that has produced. That said, can we get away from lazy shortcuts like 'bro culture' even if it's a juicy quote? Imagine someone said hick culture or urban cult…

I spent time trying to understand what that phrase specifically meant. Given the context of the article I think they're using the 'misogynist' definition. It sounds like you've gone with the 'straight white entitled male' definition. The ambiguity, which is probably intentional, makes the phrase even more problematic.

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Re: Blue Origin: Toxic, dysfunctional ‘bro culture’, low morale and delays

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post #12
post #4

It's not at all surprising there would be a counterproductive culture. Rockery isn't commerce. The management style which may result in excellence in commerce isn't the same that will do well in rocketry. It stems from Bezos and we know all the bad complaints that has produced. That said, can we get away from lazy shortcuts like 'bro culture' even if it's a juicy quote? Imagine someone said hick culture or urban cult…

"bro culture" is often used because it immediately evokes for most people that very familiar casually sexist environment that is tolerant of sexual harassment and intolerant of those who report inappropriate behavior. A workplace where "the guys" are loose and relaxed around each other, but when a women comes around they either tighten up around the "outsider" or often eventually cross boundaries with the woman. I fe…

The commenter to whom you are replying did not seem to misunderstand the term, they called for the use of more meaningful terms that do not rely on slang which is potentially subject to regional or experiential biases. To that point, I highly doubt that "everyone" has the same view of the word "bro" that you do. That will only become more true the further you get from America and American slang.

The fact that you felt the need to explain the term even when the person seemed to already know what you meant is an excellent example of why this terminology is unhelpful.

Re: Blue Origin: Toxic, dysfunctional ‘bro culture’, low morale and delays

#20
post #3

> Bezos, who recently stepped down as chief executive of Amazon, also owns The Washington Post. I like how they hide this statement several paragraphs into the article. Suddenly I have to ask if I am getting the entire story. Surely there is a better source for this story?

The Washington Post has been running negative stories about Bezos and his companies for a long while. They always include the disclaimer because that's what a responsible company would do.

Sorry you felt mislead that they included it in a place you didn't appreciate, but so far it doesn't seem like they are treating him with gloves.

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