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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by downandout » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:18 AM UTC

twofornone wrote: post #264

downandout wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most likely explanation is here [1]. Pilots (and apparently some air traffic controllers) are doing a sickout to protest vaccine mandates, presumably to make the powers that be understand just how difficult they can make things for the country if they proceed with intended mass firings. But the sickout is technically illegal, so nobody will acknowledge it. That is why you won't see a clear explanation of this inc…

The downvotes on this site have gotten insane. This is a perfectly rational comment. Whether you agree with them or not, just burying your hand and refusing to acknowledge that a nontrivial percentage of workers oppose mandates is just asinine. Boneheaded authoritarianism. If you ever wondered how horrors like the soviet union and nazi germany are possible, take a look at the religious groupthink that has seemingly c…

Exactly this. I wasn't rendering any opinion on the vaccine, I was simply stating that many people consider it to be dangerous and/or unnecessary, which is why some are pushing back. Others are simply against the mandates and not the vaccines. Regardless, some people are apparently very upset, given that a big chunk of our nation's transportation infrastructure is currently not operating.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by cycrutchfield » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:18 AM UTC

cryptoanon25490 wrote: post #52

I am going to loose my job if I don't get a forced medical procedure before next month! Might as well take sick days until then.

Must have been hard going through school with all those forced vaccinations you had to get.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by franga2000 » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:18 AM UTC

downandout wrote: post #250

thepasswordis wrote: post #232

There is currently a major outage at a major part of the infrastructure of our nation, and nobody believes anybody about why. The airline is saying it's something to do with weather, but somehow they're the only airline effected. Everybody online seems to the think it's some sort of labor strike, but the union denies this and nobody can find anywhere where people are planning this. And yet thousands of people are stu…

The most likely explanation is here [1]. Pilots (and apparently some air traffic controllers) are doing a sickout to protest vaccine mandates, presumably to make the powers that be understand just how difficult they can make things for the country if they proceed with intended mass firings. But the sickout is technically illegal, so nobody will acknowledge it. That is why you won't see a clear explanation of this inc…

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by snovv_crash » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:18 AM UTC

listenallyall wrote: post #211

rurounijones wrote: post #197

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Not the US, but in the UK which I think is comparable: * https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/28/many-hsbc-cust... (I believe this one was caused by firing greybeards who understood a certain very complicated batch processing system and offshoring to undertrained staff in India who then make a mistake and basically brough the entire system down as a knock-on effect) * https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/n…

Thanks, these examples confirm my point. The old, ancient, "outdated" (as the original poster claimed) software worked fine for years/decades. The failures that you cited were introduced during an upgrade, a rewrite/outsourcing, or due to a 3rd party outage.

But requirements change, so upgrades are a normal part of business, due to at the bare minimum legal reporting requirements changing, even if there weren't all sorts of new things like internet banking making their old APIs inadequate.

If the software isn't extendable or changeable then it isn't 'working fine', because if you can't offer internet banking or do FATCA reporting you go out of business or get shut down.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by KozmoNau7 » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:20 AM UTC

franga2000 wrote: post #273

downandout wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most likely explanation is here [1]. Pilots (and apparently some air traffic controllers) are doing a sickout to protest vaccine mandates, presumably to make the powers that be understand just how difficult they can make things for the country if they proceed with intended mass firings. But the sickout is technically illegal, so nobody will acknowledge it. That is why you won't see a clear explanation of this inc…

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> Who does this benefit??

Great upheaval brings great opportunity, if you are ruthless enough to exploit it.

There are unfortunately many actors around the world who - for various reasons - desire to create instability, because they see it as a way to profit or to gain political power.

It's the history of international politics.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by roenxi » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:22 AM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #261

baggy_trough wrote: post #238

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When a nation becomes dysfunctional enough, it’s no longer possible to tell the truth.

My /. sig for years: > It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. That said, I don't think that the government is wrong here.

Well, the specific question that the government is answering is "should these people be employed if they make choices I disagree with". It is more borderline than it might appear at first blush.

I'm not sure I can think of a precedent for being so willing to eject that many people from the workforce in such a way.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by rrix2 » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:24 AM UTC

novok wrote: post #163

listenallyall wrote: post #144

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Please define "buggy software." Can you point to a single confirmed case in the US of a person's bank account balance disappearing, or even a deposit not appearing, due to a software bug? I doubt it. Banks' core software is rock solid or they would be out of business very, very quickly.

Transaction reversibility, fear of law enforcement and the ability to react to things is the reason why the bank tire fire doesn't collapse on itself.

im sure glad the cryptocurrency folks seem intent on throwing all three of those away at once.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by downandout » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:26 AM UTC

franga2000 wrote: post #273

downandout wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most likely explanation is here [1]. Pilots (and apparently some air traffic controllers) are doing a sickout to protest vaccine mandates, presumably to make the powers that be understand just how difficult they can make things for the country if they proceed with intended mass firings. But the sickout is technically illegal, so nobody will acknowledge it. That is why you won't see a clear explanation of this inc…

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I think it's less about people being against the vaccine and more about people being against the mandates. One giant issue with them is that they completely ignore natural immunity, which over 30% of the country now has and studies show is drastically better than the vaccine, but without the dangerous side effects.

If the mandates were rational, they would be centered around antibody tests.

Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by nemothekid » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:29 AM UTC

twofornone wrote: post #264

downandout wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most likely explanation is here [1]. Pilots (and apparently some air traffic controllers) are doing a sickout to protest vaccine mandates, presumably to make the powers that be understand just how difficult they can make things for the country if they proceed with intended mass firings. But the sickout is technically illegal, so nobody will acknowledge it. That is why you won't see a clear explanation of this inc…

The downvotes on this site have gotten insane. This is a perfectly rational comment. Whether you agree with them or not, just burying your hand and refusing to acknowledge that a nontrivial percentage of workers oppose mandates is just asinine. Boneheaded authoritarianism. If you ever wondered how horrors like the soviet union and nazi germany are possible, take a look at the religious groupthink that has seemingly c…

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Re: Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights canceled or delayed

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Post by beagle3 » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:31 AM UTC

downandout wrote: post #278

franga2000 wrote: post #273

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I think it's less about people being against the vaccine and more about people being against the mandates . One giant issue with them is that they completely ignore natural immunity, which over 30% of the country now has and studies show is drastically better than the vaccine, but without the dangerous side effects. If the mandates were rational, they would be centered around antibody tests.

Just a small correction: natural immunity is not without side effects - it is just that the side effect price of the natural infection is already sunk cost for those who had the disease.