Live data from Hacker News

China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

wikimediafoundation.org

231–240 of 316 posts

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that include Tibet, Xinjiang and Taiwan? They're 'Domestic' according to the CCP right?

The total population of those 3 regions amounts to 50 million, less than 4% of China.

And yet Xinjiang makes up for 20 % of arrests in the entire country.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/19/chinas-treatment-of...

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#232
post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

I think it will be hard to applaud China for anything until they stop systematically oppressing their Uighur population and quit terrorizing places like Taiwan for no reason. Maybe then it will be possible to reconcile our petty differences, but human rights abuses come first.

> I think it will be hard to applaud The United States for anything until they stop systematically oppressing their african-american population and quit terrorizing places like The Middle East for no reason.

I'm certainly not trying to advocate an anti-US or anti-China stance here, but your comment can easily be turned around by the CCP for the same reasons when it comes to criticism of their internal affairs.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#233

Analysis and explanation (from 2020, but the issues are unchanged): https://qz.com/1908836/china-blocks-wikimedia-from-un-agency... Creative Commons comment on the most recent blocking: "As in 2020, China’s statement falsely suggested that the Wikimedia Foundation was spreading disinformation via the independent, volunteer-led Wikimedia Taiwan chapter"[0] [0] https://creativecommons.org/2021/10/06/creative-commons-re…

Wikipedia is full of disinformation on topics regarding politics and history. It is a good source of knowledge about mathematics, astronomy, biology, physics etc, but if you want an unbiased opinion on any political/historical issue you have to avoid Wikipedia. It is packed with disinformation not only about China/Taiwan, but about any country whose government and/or population is not a faithful believer in the dogma that the western orwellian police states are democracies and the USA is the most democratic democracy that ever existed in the galaxy.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#234
post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

You know what? Replace "Americans/Westerners" with "Hong Kongers", and you get the exact same phrases that were thrown at us, again and again, for over 20 years, until our entire way of life is gone.

Ignore our warnings at your peril.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not a fan of China government but in this case I tend to believe them, I've seen Wikipedia volunteers spread actual disinformation in a concerted effort especially on politically charged topics.

downvoted for lack of evidence/examples.

Nazis: https://www.wired.com/story/one-womans-mission-to-rewrite-na...

Then there's this:

> Most of Scottish Wikipedia Written By American in Mangled English

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxqy8x/most-of-scottish-wiki...

Some examples of the writing here: https://twitter.com/NeerajKA/status/1298579510581960705

And finally, I remember some translated wikipedia language was mostly written by like 10 people and went kind of nuts, but I can't find a link.

This stuff is like @tptacek bait -- I heard of these by reading his twitter.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insisting that the world use specific doublespeak about a sensitive issue is not rape - nor is it really all that humiliating.

It is a humiliation > nor is it really all that humiliating. This is exactly the line of reasoning which lead the free world into this predicament.

>This is exactly the line of reasoning which lead the free world into this predicament.

The predicament where an organisation can't offend 1.4 billion people and push an unstable region further into instability.

There are definitely battles that need to be had with the CCP, but this argument of semantics isn't one of them.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#237
post #67

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2?

No single country won WWII.

Saying so is nationalist propaganda which devalues and demeans the sacrifices of every other country.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I don't know how we could possibly validate that. It's similar to, but not the same as, measuring this in North Korea.

You are the gullible and ignorant victim of western anti-china propaganda. Many independent studies have been done. They all show very high approval ratings. Higher now, after the pandemic.

No, I lived in China, I got two know locals with wildly different opinions and reasons for thinking what they do.

They idea that there is any non-controlled wide-spanning media where this could be discovered is I'm afraid laughable.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

#240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not a fan of China government but in this case I tend to believe them, I've seen Wikipedia volunteers spread actual disinformation in a concerted effort especially on politically charged topics.

That's not what's happening here though. China has for years put enormous effort into promoting its worldview on the China/Taiwan issue in every way it can, even though that worldview contradicts the facts on the ground. Taiwan is de-facto an independent country with its own government and military sovereignty, and the majority of citizens of Taiwan are happy with that arrangement. China saying that Wikipedia Taiwan…

Taiwan's official name is Republic of China(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan), it's not China/Taiwan issue, it's China Civil War. Just like Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Republic of Korea(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea), the two China and the two Korea will unify finally.
Post reply on HN