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This real estate bubble won't pop

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Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

#61
So, he hasn't heard of Bitcoin? You don't need all these regulations if you just fix money. Central bank controlled interest rates and inflationary monetary policies are the root of this problem. There's no way for these monopolists to lose if they can leverage with money printed from thin air. It's a risk-free return, because they can profit from centrally controlled monetary policy, which is guaranteed to work for their favor and bail them out if they take too much risk.

Make money printing impossible and everything will correct itself. When money is truly owned and controlled by people, free market interest rates will increase and kick out these leveraged rent-seekers. No one will lend their hard-earned money to these people for free.

The beautiful thing is that market forces will actually make Bitcoin take over the current system by itself. Free markets will always choose fair money, because it's more beneficial for all of its users, expect for those who benefit from a central mint.

Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

#62
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would just get passed on to the renters.

Eventually an exponential-style tax would be too prohibitive for them to buy the nth house and they'd have to tap out, no? Can't pass off those costs forever, eventually it's too much for even the most well-off renter.

Look at all the discretionary spending out there that can still be sucked into rent though: restaurants, clothing, movies, all food other than rice and beans, etc.

Yes of course it's easy to call this hyperbolic, worst case scenario fear mongering, but then look at a long term chart for Canadian housing prices, and also the political response to it: essentially nothing, other than a bit of standard political rhetoric during the last election, which will be ignored just as Trudeau's electoral reform promises were ignored, and no one will get too excited because everyone seems to have subconsciously accepted that politics is essentially pure theatre - about the only thing most people seem to care much about now is not electing Nazis.

It's easy (and fun!) for people to dismiss this blogger's concerns, but I think his numbers are fairly workable, and he's not even taking into account the possibility that rent starts to suck in the entire economy. Of course, this is "impossible"...except, maybe it actually isn't.

As for myself, I think the situation is even worse than he says. His proposed solution seems to be various political policy reforms, which is the proper traditional approach. But my intuition tells me that this cannot work, even though my logical mind disagrees. I have this feeling that there are various sorts of emergent phenomena now in play, forces that we cannot detect, and maybe couldn't even understand if we could detect them. And you know what they say about things that can't be detected: they do not exist, as logic and critical thinking (the new and improved versions) tell us, of course.

For starters, I don't think a party could even get elected on a platform of reform. And even if they did, I don't think they would be able to reform anything. I think we have lost control not only of the (financial, political, etc) system, but also of our minds. It seems like we are all riding along on this massive, complex machine, that nobody designed, nobody knows how to operate, and maybe most importantly: no one seems to realize that they do not know how to operate it, or even that we are riding on it in the first place.

So far, printing money whenever we get ourselves into a pinch has always saved our asses, but at some point I think we're going to try this option and it won't work, and that is when the chickens will come home to roost, the sins of the fathers will be visited upon the sons, etc etc etc.

Obviously, this is wild, illogical speculation, and parts of it are "surely" wrong. But that doesn't mean it is incorrect in the aggregate. Complex systems are complex, emergence is a genuine phenomenon, things have been getting weirder and weirder for quite some time now, and the mood of the public in general and toward each other is "not great". I think we have all the makings needed for a debacle of historic proportions, including the necessary mindset.

Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

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The price of the average house in the USA is based primarily on the government-guaranteed 30 year fixed rate mortgage. For a given interest rate and income, the house will cost exactly the maximum amount of loan the borrower can get. Banks no longer have any skin in the game - they go through a massive checklist, gather tons of documents, and once they can fulfill their legal mandates they immediately approve the loa…

Are you saying in the USA your fixed rate lasts for 30 years? Its there a significant premium on the duration? In the UK fixed rates last 2 or 5 years.

The USA is unique in that the standard mortgage is 30 years with a fixed rate. We also have a huge refinance industry, as everyone who gets locked in at a higher rate wants to refinance when rates drop.

Also the rates are artificially low as the government backstops the vast majority of residential home mortgages. In a free market the rates would be a lot higher, but they are subsidized by the government.

Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

#64
This author needs relax and take a breath. Even if he’s right that financialization is displacing some would-be homeowners, he’s ignoring all the second order effects and reactions that would counteract this trend long before we reached a state where there are 99% renters. The middle class having an acceptable quality of life is the only thing keeping society stable, and the masses would be guillotining the plutocrats long before we reach that point. If people seem politically disengaged today it’s because by-and-large Americans are doing alright, something I think would absolutely change if you had middle class working adults losing their homes due to property taxes growing much faster than incomes.

He cites growing property tax bills as the reason even current homeowners are not safe from this trend. If this really became a problem, you would just see an acceleration in Prop 13 style laws protecting incumbent homeowners. But also, many cities recalculate the tax rate each year based on their budget needs. If home prices all doubled in a short period of time, I’d expect the effective tax rate to fall since the city’s revenue needs grow at a slower pace.

Leftists like the author seem to start from the premise that somebody making money is always a bad thing and build their entire housing ideology around that belief. Profit motive is a great thing if it incentivizes the creation of needed housing. Profit motive is great when it motivates landlords to buy and fix run-down properties, raising the overall quality of housing in that community. Building and maintaining housing stock is work that entails risk and that deserves compensation. Without these financial incentives, the whole system breaks down. For a glimpse at the alternative, just look at what happened with housing in the Soviet Union: huge blocks of dingy 300-500 sq ft units with nicer units reserved only for the beneficiaries of political corruption, a system of housing I doubt any of us here would wish to adopt ourselves. But, hey, at least no greedy landlords got paid.

Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

#65

One aspect of articles like this that I've noticed is the absolute certainty the author seems to have that these terrible outcomes are inevitable, with no expression of a confidence interval or possible less world-ending alternatives. I just... can't take articles like this seriously. It's the political equivalent of gore porn, and it feels like a waste of time to think about. When Nassim Taleb wrote about "Black Swa…

My lesson has been to neglect or ignore any statement made with certainty without any underlying data. The most credible statements ever made always had an element of probability/odds associated with them.

That being said, some of the points this chap brings up don't add up to they hyperbole.

AirBnB income - being double the actual rent in a particular neighbourhood ? How is this even possible. If you average out AirBnB rental income over a year, you probably will end up with a slightly higher percentage than rent perhaps 10-30%. Then it's not guaranteed, rental income is. So almost every landlord will choose a guaranteed rental income over the fluctuating AirBnB income. Unless they own multiple properties and can afford the risk. Also, good luck managing an AirBnB rental in Miami without ground support sitting somewhere in Manhattan.

Housing as a means of profit and leverage - To some extent this needs to be stopped. Shelter is a basic need and unlike food, hoarding costs nothing. I am yet to understand the mentality of hoarding houses. Many of my friends are owning 2-3 flats/houses for their kids etc. While, it is more prudent to invest that money in liquid index funds. There is still this perceived notion of 'houses are guaranteed sources of income that will keep increasing in value every year' amongst the average family man. This certainly needs to change, I don't know how. So housing as a source of profit and leverage is bad but I don't see a way out. Space is limited, everyone wants a 5000 sft house.

That being said, it's by no means a doomsday scenario as depicted in this article. I don't know why people get into such hyperbole just to bring about such unrealistic doomsday scenarios. The world is still a better place. To hell with these naysayers.

Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

#66

For over a decade pundits have been calling for the housing market to fall, yet prices keep going up to no end. Even Covid could not derail it. Although homes are more expensive than ever before , thanks to historically low 30-year mortgage rate and low inflation, real estate is probably a better investment now than ever before, although the down payment is more expensive. But despite this, the returns are very good,…

> thanks to historically low 30-year mortgage rate and low inflation, real estate is probably a better investment now than ever before Would an investor taking advantage of those low 30 year mortgages prefer low inflation or high? It seems to me they prefer high. They pay the mortgage back in future dollars which are worth less.

One may want a high interest rate while you hold the property but you want low/declining interest rate as you approach sale

Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

#67
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5-10% for many things: tuition, healthcare, cars, homes, transportation, etc. I don't see political instability ever being much of a problem. Trump was considered 'unstable' by pundits yet prices surged during his term.

IIRC 15% for Campbells Tomato Soup. https://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-price...

Eyeballing the values on the graph, it looks like the price increase is around 4% YoY between 2000 and 2020, from ~0.40$ to 0.85$. If it were 15%, it would have reached 6.50$ in 2020.

Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

#68
post #61

So, he hasn't heard of Bitcoin? You don't need all these regulations if you just fix money. Central bank controlled interest rates and inflationary monetary policies are the root of this problem. There's no way for these monopolists to lose if they can leverage with money printed from thin air. It's a risk-free return, because they can profit from centrally controlled monetary policy, which is guaranteed to work for…

Given he has

> If you’d like to win a book and $100 in free cryptocurrency, head over to jaredabrock.substack.com

plastered right at the top, I would say, yes, he has heard of Bitcoin.

Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eventually an exponential-style tax would be too prohibitive for them to buy the nth house and they'd have to tap out, no? Can't pass off those costs forever, eventually it's too much for even the most well-off renter.

Look at all the discretionary spending out there that can still be sucked into rent though: restaurants, clothing, movies, all food other than rice and beans, etc. Yes of course it's easy to call this hyperbolic, worst case scenario fear mongering, but then look at a long term chart for Canadian housing prices, and also the political response to it: essentially nothing , other than a bit of standard political rhetori…

One of my favorite charts is the percentage of gdp by sector in the US. It tells the whole story:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/IbcnWz6KrHkAYuJLpPzu...

https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/fire_econom...

Re: This real estate bubble won't pop

#70

Ah, the classic signal of a market top: "This time is different; prices can't ever go down."

then short some REITS if you believe this

Well my specific belief is that housing won’t keep up with inflation rather than fall significantly in absolute terms. Not sure how I short that belief.
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