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Post by TeMPOraL »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #129
TeMPOraL wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to balance a system dynamically, you want negative, not positive feedback loops. The latter will just grow until they shake the system apart. In other words: polarisation is useful when it's transient. Some issue causes people to divide and work out some consensus, and then divisions die down. A persistent divison that becomes its own end is destructive.

We basically have an efficient system where two sides constantly adjust their positions so that elections are won basically on a knife edge. The system demands competition, and if that competition doesn’t come from outside (eg there is a war), it won’t simply disappear. Actually, doesn’t China do that? It paints it’s people’s struggles as them vs the rest of the world. Maybe they don’t need political competition beca…

> We basically have an efficient system where two sides constantly adjust their positions so that elections are won basically on a knife edge. The system demands competition, and if that competition doesn’t come from outside (eg there is a war), it won’t simply disappear.

Yeah, but what's the system efficient about? Not figuring out correct solutions - the internal competition demands both sides to define themselves in terms of doing/believing the opposite to what the other side does/believes, so the system is just doing a random walk. The way I see it, it's primarily efficient as a way to grow the market - ever-increasing campaign budgets and ongoing political shouting matches are just funding advertisers and news agencies.

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Post by SiliconVallet »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #113
jollybean wrote: post #85

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Thanks - but this is mostly my point - though I don't agree with your conclusion. People within a 'closed system' (i.e. China) are going to have a view of an internal issue that the government wants them to have. "There's nothing big happening here, just 'ABC' because 'XYZ', the Westerners a bit upset about it but that's their colonialist view, they should mind their own business" So they justify their actions, don't…

The reason why most Chinese people care about completely different issues is not because they are uninformed. The average person in Chinese is much better informed about China and its domestic issues (including Tiananmen) than most people outside of China. After all, they actually live in the country and experience it every day. Many people personally lived through the events of Tiananmen, or know people who did. But…

> Imagine if you didn't speak English and had never been to the US, and all you ever read about the US was how terribly prisoners are treated and all the wars it fights around the world. You would have an incredibly skewed picture of the country.

So in other words... literally people all over the world, not in the US. Because that's exactly what happens in China, hell even in Europe where they speak English...

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Post by CulturalMarxism »

preach wrote: post #82

If I’m a hardline Westerner and I feel like participating in a pro-Chinese Western Community, what are my options? HN isn’t the place for this. Basically, I’d like to praise China for the last handful of bold moves they’ve made, but the usual channels (FB, Twitter, Reddit, HN, …) are vehemently anti-China. I’d probably get shadowbanned or banned saying the three child policy is the way to go forward. Any suggestions?

You could ask this question at https://www.hexbear.net/ and probably get some real answers.

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Post by neltnerb »

jollybean wrote: post #132
neltnerb wrote: post #89

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Of course they do. Do you think the Chinese government can't figure out what you access via a VPN? I find it hard to be confident that the US Security Apparatus couldn't figure out what I access via VPN if they chose to. I'm not sure whether the US or the CCP would be more able to block all VPNs, but I have the feeling the answer is the latter (for legal, rather than technical reasons).

US has no technical ability to block mass numbers of connections on a selective basis. That's a 'scale' ability they don't have anything close to. I mean, possibly on some algorithmic basis, but there's no agency with the manpower to do that. Crude operations to shut down certain parts of the web, yes. Ability to monitor individuals, yes. But the only entity on earth that can do surveillance at scale is China. They'v…

Makes sense, I'd hate to be targeted by either but am thankfully of little importance.

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Post by Gustomaximus »

babelfish wrote: post #107
tweedledee wrote: post #93

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I have a feeling Australia will also get nukes reasonably soon. First nuke subs, then US bases with US nukes, then nuke subs with nukes. The Chinese pushed the Australians too far, they underestimated their obstinance. Australian attitudes are changing rapidly and in my view it won't take long until a nuclear deterrence becomes the obvious and only solution.

How has China ‘pushed’ Australia at all?

They have threatened Australia in military terms a bunch of times in the the last decade via politics, military leaders and CCP aligned media.

Most recently saying with these new subs we are a potential nuclear target now. Or the paper cat will soon learn its lesson type articles. Quite a few of these over recent years and while many are probably bluster, it's hard for people on the end of this to not think its best to prepare for them being more than empty words.

In very broad strokes I think China spent 30 years trying to align Australia politically to them, now this has push back they have moved to make an example, not helped that our current leaders seem to have equally encouraged this new relationship. I doubt it will ever be military action but at the same time we should prepare for the unlikely. Nukes make sense for Australia and other small nations where there is threat. As much as they are horrible things and it may lead to nuclear proliferation, it's the only self reliant way for a small nation to protect itself from a large nation if things go hot.

Id actually like to see a world where countries agreed to serious limits to military. Maximum # jets, ships, troops and tanks type thing so a build-up to war would be harder, more obvious and give time to deal with fractured relationships.

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Post by Gustomaximus »

tweedledee wrote: post #93
refurb wrote: post #35

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Seems like China sees Australia as the front line in their battle with the West. The recent nuclear submarine deal makes a lot more sense with that world view.

I have a feeling Australia will also get nukes reasonably soon. First nuke subs, then US bases with US nukes, then nuke subs with nukes. The Chinese pushed the Australians too far, they underestimated their obstinance. Australian attitudes are changing rapidly and in my view it won't take long until a nuclear deterrence becomes the obvious and only solution.

I too assumed this is why China was so upset by the subs decision. The strength of the reaction doesnt make sense on subs alone.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

SiliconVallet wrote: post #142
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why most Chinese people care about completely different issues is not because they are uninformed. The average person in Chinese is much better informed about China and its domestic issues (including Tiananmen) than most people outside of China. After all, they actually live in the country and experience it every day. Many people personally lived through the events of Tiananmen, or know people who did. But…

> Imagine if you didn't speak English and had never been to the US, and all you ever read about the US was how terribly prisoners are treated and all the wars it fights around the world. You would have an incredibly skewed picture of the country. So in other words... literally people all over the world, not in the US. Because that's exactly what happens in China, hell even in Europe where they speak English...

English is much more widely spoken (as a second language) around the world than Chinese, and people are exposed to plenty of positive media about the US (e.g., Hollywood movies, TV shows). Even in China, people are exposed to a ton of positive media about the US. Until Trump, I would even say the US was widely admired within China.
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