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Post by yostrovs »

WhySoGullible wrote: post #163
yostrovs wrote: post #129

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It is against the law to criticize the CCP in China. What mechanism did the pollsters and researchers use to overcome that? Moreover, as with democracy, it is more than having the right to vote. It is also the right to know what your elected representatives are up to and what the state of the nation is. So if you ask people thoroughly drowning in state enforced propaganda from an early age what they think about somet…

Here is one of the higher quality, long-term studies conducted by Harvard's Ash Center. You can read their full methodology below. [1] https://ash.harvard.edu/news/ash-center-researchers-release-... [2][pdf]: https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7...

I downloaded the report. It's a survey that does not seem to have had some way to overcome the reluctance to criticize when criticizing is against the law.

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Post by dada78641 »

epgui wrote: post #139
musicale wrote: post #112

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There's a difference between being anti-CCP and anti-China.

Whether we like it or not, the CCP is an integral part of today's China, both the good and the bad.

So? Bolsonaro is an integral part of today's Brazil. Does that mean being anti-Bolsonaro equates to being anti-Brazil?

It's completely disingenuous to suggest that recognizing the horrors of an oppressive nation-state equates to some sort of bigotry against the country itself.

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Post by epgui »

carapace wrote: post #194
epgui wrote: post #139

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Whether we like it or not, the CCP is an integral part of today's China, both the good and the bad.

Chinese culture is older and broader than CCP's China†. E.g. here in San Francisco our Chinatown is older than the state of California‡. † https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese ‡ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown,_San_Francisco

Assuredly! I was careful to use the phrasing "is an integral part of", in acknowledgment that "China" is vaster/broader/older/etc.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by epgui »

dada78641 wrote: post #202
epgui wrote: post #139

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Whether we like it or not, the CCP is an integral part of today's China, both the good and the bad.

So? Bolsonaro is an integral part of today's Brazil. Does that mean being anti-Bolsonaro equates to being anti-Brazil? It's completely disingenuous to suggest that recognizing the horrors of an oppressive nation-state equates to some sort of bigotry against the country itself.

You will note that I suggest no such thing!

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Post by lotsofpulp »

rndgermandude wrote: post #167
lotsofpulp wrote: post #110

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Is the claim here that the US has organizations that actively work to prevent a movie showing Russians winning WW2? It is easier for me to believe that a movie specifically about the Russians winning WW2 simply would not get financed due to low probability of earning a decent ROI due to American/English audiences not wanting to pay to watch it. I was also taught in US history AP class in high school that a significan…

>I was also taught in US history AP class in high school that a significant, if not necessary, element of winning WW2 was the Russians tying up the Germans on the eastern front The Soviets along with some remaining Polish forces also won the battle of Berlin (which caused Hitler to commit suicide), having pushed back the German army all the way back from the gates of Moscow to the gates of Berlin. The Third Reich, le…

Thanks for expounding, I should have remembered more of the details.

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Post by sunir »

epgui wrote: post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

If you’re on Wikimedia’s side there is negative value in throwing chaffe into the conversation about imperial saber rattling.

Focus on the ball please.

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Post by fuckchina »

epgui wrote: post #196
zeckalpha wrote: post #186

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Not in Taiwan!

Is Taiwan China though? (mostly non-rhetorical, honest question)

Of course not, at least not the same one(R.O.C. - which stands for Republic of China -, the government in Taiwan, is different from People's Republic of China).

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Post by fuckchina »

viktorcode wrote: post #23

Nobody seems to notice that it should not matter at all how accurate exactly the information Wikimedia contains, because it has no relation to the role they can fulfil at WIPO. China blocks the application, citing irrelevant info. Then other countries dismiss those irrelevant accusations as false. It seems the future of WIPO is to become irrelevant UN body.

With China holding such power in UN, the UN would just getting more irrelevant as the time goes by.

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Post by baybal2 »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #125
baybal2 wrote: post #100

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It is indeed raping the whole free world. It indulges inflicting this humiliation, and seeing the whole world seeing the West being so powerless about it.

Insisting that the world use specific doublespeak about a sensitive issue is not rape - nor is it really all that humiliating.

It is a humiliation

> nor is it really all that humiliating.

This is exactly the line of reasoning which lead the free world into this predicament.

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Post by rsj_hn »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #198
rsj_hn wrote: post #158

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> I've never heard of pre Korean war North Korea massacring tens of thousands of civilians like South Korea in the Jeju uprising I recommend learning about the history of North Korea. Those concentration camps existed before the war. Do you really think the forced collectivization policies and murder of "class enemies", monks, priests, landlords, university professors, members of the press, etc., that killed 30 milli…

>He was dissapeared in 1949. No one knows what happened to him, but there are some rumors that he was killed in 57. Third from the left in 1955. He was Chairman of the Supreme Assembly until 57. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Tu-bong#/media/File:%E5%BA... Beyond that, "I recommend learning about the history, then you can guess that terrible things were happening" isn't really changing anything I said, which is pri…

> Third from the left in 1955.

I stand corrected - he was dissapeared in the 60s.

> I said, which is primarily about how the US backed it's own military dictatorship in South Korea.

The US "backed" an illiberal government with 300 soldiers.

Meanwhile North Korea set up concentration camps, exterminated monks, executed "class enemies", those with property, priests, and nuns, and engaged in forced collectivization of land as part of widespread destruction of civil society -- all prior to the North's invasion of South Korea.

Somehow you are trying to create a moral equivalence between a Stalinist dictatorship in North Korea with many concentrate camps in it, and South Korea - which although it is illiberal by modern standards, was by far more free and humane than anything on the Korean peninsula in the history of that land. Then you are arguing that the US "supported" the South because of these 300 American soldiers. Meanwhile the North had over 100,000 PLA and Soviet troops and hundreds and tanks and fighter aircraft. From this, you conclude that the North did not invade the South, as historians say, but that the US actually invaded Korea.

Look, I know which Chomsky pamphlet you are getting this stuff from and it is an Orwellian reading of history. The 300 US soldiers is not an "invasion" of Korea by the US, and there is no comparison between the North and the South in the arena of human rights or freedom.

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