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Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by jonathankoren »

bmicraft wrote: post #105
whatshisface wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a silly point to make when you realize that Hollywood is not a government agency. It is a reasonable question to ask how this coordination is possible when there are no legal restraints on failing to coordinate.

Hollywood gets to borrow millions in us army equipment for free if the producer runs the script by them first. Part of the deal is that the us army always have to be the good guys and not have any internal problems related to things like sexism homophobia or anything else

And yet, these movies continue to get made.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by Glyptodon »

epgui wrote: post #160
Glyptodon wrote: post #147

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Unfortunately there are things that are beyond permissible in this world - the holocaust was supposed to be never again. Trying to say "oh, but the west has problems too" when there aren't any comparable attempts at large-scale genocide ongoing is crazy. Not because the west doesn't have problems. Or because the west is somehow angelic. But because it's like comparing a nuke to a house fire. And some things really ar…

> Trying to say "oh, but the west has problems too" when there aren't any comparable attempts at large-scale genocide ongoing is crazy. Again, this is not what I was trying to say, and if it came across that way then I was misunderstood or I did not express myself correctly. I can see how what I wrote could have been interpreted that way, but I would really encourage you to apply the "charitable interpretation" princ…

I think everything is very intertwined when it comes to China.

It's true that on some level blocking Wikimedia from a global organization isn't directly about genocide - it's about Wikimedia not being a centralized entity kissing the ring the way the China wants it to. But on another level that is really about the fact that articles like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide exist, and that they're guided by an aspiration to encyclopedic documentation and not Xi Jinping Thought (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping_Thought). Because China would like Xi Jinping Thought exported globally.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by [deleted] »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

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Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by loyukfai »

Fricken wrote: post #156
wolverine876 wrote: post #141

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The Chinese people who do have free speech, in Taiwan, and did, in Hong Kong, certainly don't/didn't like the CCP much. Perhaps that's why the CCP felt the need to shut down freedom in Hong Kong - too much criticism. If the CCP is so popular, why not have free speech and elections?

Why not? I don't think China is going to change it's functional political system just to prove a point to some rando on the internet is why.

It's people like you, and the predictable but classless act of keeping Wikimedia off WIPO (and similar ones) that gives CCP (and "China") bad rep all over world.

Many would have liked a/one more counterbalance to US hegemony. From the latest polls though, it seems people would rather the US hegemony continues/strengthens rather than seeing CCP/"China" rises further.

Such intangible acts will, sooner or later, have tangible consequences.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by satao »

msla wrote: post #165
satao wrote: post #67

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It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? The USSR didn't defeat Japan. The Second World War was against Japan, Germany, and, to some extent, Italy. The USSR only fought Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by msla »

furgooswft13 wrote: post #170
msla wrote: post #164

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> The GP asked for movies about winning the WWII, not winning in the WWII. Russia didn't win WWII, given that they didn't fight Japan in any meaningful way.

uhm, the USSR's invasion of Manchuria was arguably the biggest reason Japan surrendered when they did.

No, the two nuclear bombs did that.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by msla »

satao wrote: post #175
msla wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? The USSR didn't defeat Japan. The Second World War was against Japan, Germany, and, to some extent, Italy. The USSR only fought Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria

A few days before the end of the war, yes. That's not a significant amount of fighting.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by epgui »

Glyptodon wrote: post #172
epgui wrote: post #160

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> Trying to say "oh, but the west has problems too" when there aren't any comparable attempts at large-scale genocide ongoing is crazy. Again, this is not what I was trying to say, and if it came across that way then I was misunderstood or I did not express myself correctly. I can see how what I wrote could have been interpreted that way, but I would really encourage you to apply the "charitable interpretation" princ…

I think everything is very intertwined when it comes to China. It's true that on some level blocking Wikimedia from a global organization isn't directly about genocide - it's about Wikimedia not being a centralized entity kissing the ring the way the China wants it to. But on another level that is really about the fact that articles like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide exist, and that they're guided by…

I would agree with that, but I maintain that the criticisms in the comments section were of varying degrees of quality. IMO, the best and most useful ones are those that are carefully scoped and precisely defined. Some comments have these attributes, but not all.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by int_19h »

dirtyid wrote: post #121
int_19h wrote: post #90

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> Interests of 1.4B PRC outweighs 24m on TW. If Russia decides to annex e.g. Ukraine in its entirety tomorrow, do the interests of 146 million Russians outweigh the interests of 41 million Ukrainians? It doesn't really work that way. (Not to mention that the government of PRC is not exactly representative.)

USSR dissolution and declaration of independence by ex Union states = Russia doesn't have the same legal claims at UN anymore. Whereas PRC has maintained legal claims over ROC at UN, it's still a domestic issues where interests on both sides of the strait matter. So yes, it really does work that way if one subscribes to the Westphalian system that west seems to advocate. Being a representative government has no barin…

The West doesn't uniformly advocate the Westphalian system; not even close.

On the contrary, it's something that's brought up much more frequently by Russia these days.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by zeckalpha »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

Idi I Smotri is worth a watch. Many references to it in more recent movies.
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