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rsj_hn wrote: post #82
pessimizer wrote: post #74

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We have North and South Korea because of a US invasion, the massacre of tens of thousands of people in the South with any sort of left/social-liberal sympathies, and a fully fascist government propped up by the US that lasted until the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilminism It's nothing to respect. The US is something to respect, because it's got a lot more economic and military power than poor backwards NK. Thr…

> We have North and South Korea because of a US invasion No, this is demonstrably false. Korea was annexed by Japan in 1910. After the war, Korea was partitioned -- much like Europe -- with North Korea occupied by the Soviet Union and South Korea occupied by the US along the 38th parallel in 1945. Except the nature of the respective military presence was very different. The Soviet Union and China brought in large qua…

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Post by wolverine876 »

cryptonitez wrote: post #62
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It would really be fun to make a movie about overthrowing the CCP, could be uplifting.

It's pretty shocking that there isn't such a movie - or any movie with the CCP as the baddie - and I haven't heard someone propose it before.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by Fricken »

yostrovs wrote: post #129
Fricken wrote: post #122

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You are the gullible and ignorant victim of western anti-china propaganda. Many independent studies have been done. They all show very high approval ratings. Higher now, after the pandemic.

It is against the law to criticize the CCP in China. What mechanism did the pollsters and researchers use to overcome that? Moreover, as with democracy, it is more than having the right to vote. It is also the right to know what your elected representatives are up to and what the state of the nation is. So if you ask people thoroughly drowning in state enforced propaganda from an early age what they think about somet…

>So if you ask people thoroughly drowning in state enforced propaganda from an early age what they think about something, you'll usually get what the propaganda machine told them to think.

You have the option to stick with what the propaganda machine told to you to think.

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Post by beaunative »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #54
azernik wrote: post #46

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The KMT absolutely did not want to give up its title of "Republic of China". It had been only 30 years since the civil war. KMT leadership was still people who had personally fled the mainland in middle age. The president at the time, Jiang Jingguo, was on the young end (he was the son and heir of Jiang Jieshi) - and even he had only arrived in Taiwan at age 39. None of those people had strong local ties, either pers…

> From the US perspective, why would they go out of their way to call Taiwan its own country when neither government, on either side of the Strait, was interested in that? :) I feel like this the same sort of thinking as tech debt. Names? Who cares! Everyone knows what the situation is on the ground. In my view, norms have to be actively upheld, even especially if you are on "Team 'rule of law'". If the thing is a st…

Taiwan is actually an state, but China don't recognize it the way we didn't recognize the IS. Of course, Taiwan is in much better situation than the IS, but the underlying logic is the same. A state government don't recognize other states just because they are a state.

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Post by wolverine876 »

baybal2 wrote: post #100
AussieWog93 wrote: post #95

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I don't think it's fair to suggest China is "raping" the West. Hong Kong, maybe, but not the entire democratic world. At least, not yet.

It is indeed raping the whole free world. It indulges inflicting this humiliation, and seeing the whole world seeing the West being so powerless about it.

Equating the democratic free world to the direct victims in Xinjing, Tibet, Hong Kong, and those in the rest of China, is going too far I think.

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Post by epgui »

Glyptodon wrote: post #127
epgui wrote: post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

Does it really matter if they get anything right when they committing genocide against the Uighurs, ignoring their treaty obligations, and trying to make the whole world follow their lead in censorship and undermining any aspirations to an impartiality before and equality under the law? It's plain "whataboutism" not any different than folks being impressed with Nazi Germany before WWII. Which isn't to say that the "w…

Yes, it matters. Goods and wrongs don't cancel out, but they both matter.

It's funny you mention whataboutism, because that's what I was about to mention too.

This really goes to my main point: it's important to be able to levy criticism and to NOT give anyone a free pass, but many of the comments in here seem to be implicitly (and arguably, erroneously) splitting world actors into "good" and "evil". Hence the "us vs them" mentality and the mounting nationalism.

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Post by wolverine876 »

epgui wrote: post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

> I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China.

Which ones? I don't see it myself.

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

satao wrote: post #67
perihelions wrote: post #38

Of course Wikimedia won't take any action to appease this totalitarian nonsense. But, most for-profit companies do exactly that. When was the last time any Hollywood movie or mainstream entertainment mentioned Taiwanese conflict? When do you last remember seeing "Free Tibet"? Or any Tibet? Chinese film censors can apply billions of dollars of pressure, simply to change a single word. Who can withstand that? Wikimedia…

It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

The intro sequence for Star Trek: Enterprise[1] was quite interesting to say the least. — It details the history of human exploration culminating in man's achievement of a method of faster than light travel, so it implies, but strangely the first man in space and the first artificial satellite are omitted, and in their stead we may behold a majestic sight of an unknown U.S.A. submarine.

Careful now, lest the audience actually learn that it were the Soviets who launched the first man into space.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnTZREMEJI

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Post by epgui »

musicale wrote: post #112
epgui wrote: post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

There's a difference between being anti-CCP and anti-China.

Whether we like it or not, the CCP is an integral part of today's China, both the good and the bad.

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Post by jhedwards »

Fricken wrote: post #113
musicale wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between being anti-CCP and anti-China.

No difference really. Domestic approval ratings for the CCP are through the roof. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/913650298/as-u-s-views-of-chi...

While I wouldn't rule out that this is true, it's difficult to trust numbers like that in China since people are so afraid to voice their true opinion. When I lived in China I learned that it was a basic rule of society that you do not express opinions about the government with anyone except for your closest friends, and even then it is extremely rare. It's no surprise that this is the case given historical events such as the hundred flowers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign
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