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California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by short12 »

Cupertino95014 wrote: post #14

It's funny that people who go out of their way to announce their "support" for marginalized people don't bother asking the gardeners who use them why they use them. In California those are overwhelmingly Mexican, and they're working in the hot sun to feed their families. They use a leaf blower because it lets them get done faster and make a little more money.

Maybe that is a career that doesn't need to exist. It provides zero benefit to anyone and head detrimental effects such as noise and dust particles

I certainly won't weap if the entire leaf blower industry flat out dies

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by short12 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #38
brianwawok wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but there clearly will be less. People are lazy, and aren’t going to go through this much work. See incandescent light bulbs. Most people bought over LED before the ban. You can buy them from China still, but most people don’t. So in the end it wins without doing some kind of crazy enforcement,

Incandescents are engineered to have a short life. Abandoning them is a no brainier. Gas power equipment still has endurance and power that eclipses electric alternatives.

It wasnt a no brainer for the tremendous amount of people bitching about that ban

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by voakbasda »

michael1999 wrote: post #81
giantg2 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you think that a piece of equiptment that uses a quart of gas every other week is a significant contributor? Why not focus on where the real progress can be made (or the real cost contributors) instead of forcing a scenario with poor cost benefit tradeoff.

I think you misunderstand the statistics. Modern cars are so clean that the two-strokes powering lawn tools really are most of the smog in some cities. Getting rid of them will be a big improvement for many people.

Source?

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by giantg2 »

michael1999 wrote: post #81
giantg2 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you think that a piece of equiptment that uses a quart of gas every other week is a significant contributor? Why not focus on where the real progress can be made (or the real cost contributors) instead of forcing a scenario with poor cost benefit tradeoff.

I think you misunderstand the statistics. Modern cars are so clean that the two-strokes powering lawn tools really are most of the smog in some cities. Getting rid of them will be a big improvement for many people.

The vast majority of lawn mowers are not 2 stroke.

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by simonsquiff »

heypete wrote: post #78
echopom wrote: post #28

> New portable gas-powered generators also must be zero-emissions by 2028 Fascinated by this large scale "green washing" taking place. As of today 50% of the electricity made in california comes from natural gas... On top of that an extra 37% of california electricity is imported from others states which are running mostly of natural gas... You can also add an extra 30% of energy coming from petrol for cars , public…

While I can get on board with restricting 2-stroke engines in most cases (there’s still many situations where there’s no viable substitutes), I’m puzzled how they expect to have gas-powered generators be zero emission. That seems to defy the laws of physics and chemistry. By definition, people use generators when there’s no source of mains power, whether that’s during a power outage or needing to use electric devices…

Hydrogen fuel cell generators are one option. Pretty exotic today, but this is the type of move that will help them become more mainstream

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by giantg2 »

lostapathy wrote: post #57
giantg2 wrote: post #39

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I'd rather not pay $500+ for a push mower with enough batteries to so my lawn. It seems like the negative impact is much higher than the marginal benefits. Why not focus on vehicles (especially planes) and the grid instead?

A non-disposable gas mower also cuts $500+ these days. Sure you can get cheaper ones, but they are junk that doesn't last.

This simply isn't true. A decent push mower can be had for about $180. Cheaper ones are about $130. Do you have a source for $500+ gas push mowers? I'd imagine they are very niche companies or models.

This also ignores the used market. Mine was used for $30.

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by to1y »

lostapathy wrote: post #57
giantg2 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather not pay $500+ for a push mower with enough batteries to so my lawn. It seems like the negative impact is much higher than the marginal benefits. Why not focus on vehicles (especially planes) and the grid instead?

A non-disposable gas mower also cuts $500+ these days. Sure you can get cheaper ones, but they are junk that doesn't last.

What is a disposable mower? That number is way off, checking my local hardware store a brand new mower is $150AUD.

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by lostapathy »

giantg2 wrote: post #96
lostapathy wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A non-disposable gas mower also cuts $500+ these days. Sure you can get cheaper ones, but they are junk that doesn't last.

This simply isn't true. A decent push mower can be had for about $180. Cheaper ones are about $130. Do you have a source for $500+ gas push mowers? I'd imagine they are very niche companies or models. This also ignores the used market. Mine was used for $30.

The cheapest Honda push mower at home depot (today in the midwest) is $420, the second cheapest is $550.

They will easily go 20 years without much maintenance. Nobody I know buying $180 mowers gets more than a few years out of them and they are off to the landfill.

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by wtallis »

giantg2 wrote: post #94
michael1999 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misunderstand the statistics. Modern cars are so clean that the two-strokes powering lawn tools really are most of the smog in some cities. Getting rid of them will be a big improvement for many people.

The vast majority of lawn mowers are not 2 stroke.

Lawn mowers, no. But those are far from the only gas-powered lawn tools.

(Also, I've never seen a catalytic converter on a four-stroke lawn mower.)

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Post by Forge36 »

spikej wrote: post #69
dghughes wrote: post #21

I had an electric lawn mower it was great compared to gas mainly due to it being so quiet. Charging wasn't too bad at first one battery for the front yard and one for the back. But then one battery would not charge as much or run for as long as when new. The store had moved on to new models so I couldnt buy a battery in store. Even if I could it was expensive $100, the mower cost $250. Online even the manufacturer se…

That's one of the reasons I went with corded... It's a little annoying, but a fraction of the cost, never runs out of juice, I never forget to charge it, and only thing I've had to do in years is replace the blade. In most of these types of articles, no one mentions the problems that batteries are going to cause... (environment and convenience)

I must need a less powerful one. I went corded and both ended up catching fire after 1 year. Went with gas for the third one
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