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Len Sassaman and Satoshi: A cypherpunk history

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Re: Len Sassaman and Satoshi: A cypherpunk history

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Post by mijoharas »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #38
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. If you Google “satoshi Stylometry” you’ll find a ton. IMO not very fruitful, there is other evidence that is more compelling. If you look around enough it’s easily to get a _pretty good_ idea of who it was, based on things like early interactions with satoshi, neighbors with unusual surnames, etc. but no way to know for sure.

Do you have a particular link? Because simply googling the term, I find a few things that don't even mention Sassaman. But it also seems like they may be preselecting the candidates and applying the analysis to only their works. For whatever reason, Sassaman hasn't been spoken of much as a candidate, and is unclear whether his writings (of which there are many) would have been included.

I believe the parent comment is referring to Hal Finney. Similar points are made in this other comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28815538

Re: Len Sassaman and Satoshi: A cypherpunk history

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Post by acjohnson55 »

reducesuffering wrote: post #36
acjohnson55 wrote: post #22

Replies to that article mention Len's tweets about Bitcoin don't necessarily seem like those of its creator, if he was tweeting earnestly. That, and his wife not believing he was Satoshi (while not claiming it was impossible) are the biggest counterpoints I've come across. Still, I find it a very compelling case. Sassaman as part of a Satoshi collective also seems possible. https://twitter.com/search?q=(Bitcoin)%20(f…

Also that Len was a Unix-style C++ whereas original Bitcoin was definitely a Windows programmer

That's a good data point. Although many people program for both OSs, it at least raises the question of why make a Windows app, if it's not your preferred platform?

Re: Len Sassaman and Satoshi: A cypherpunk history

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Post by jjordan »

nostrademons wrote: post #31

Satoshi came out of retirement in March 2014 to state that he was not Dorian Nakamoto, in the wake of a Newsweek article that falsely fingered the latter as Satoshi: https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/06/satoshi-dorian/ I still think it was Hal Finney, who was in similar cypherpunk circles, created the first PoW system, received the first Bitcoin transaction, lived in the same town as Dorian Nakamoto for 10 years, was di…

I think it's Nick Szabo. This is the article that convinced me: https://www.bitcoininsider.org/article/78686/i-designed-bitc...

Re: Len Sassaman and Satoshi: A cypherpunk history

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Post by doopy1 »

jjordan wrote: post #43
nostrademons wrote: post #31

Satoshi came out of retirement in March 2014 to state that he was not Dorian Nakamoto, in the wake of a Newsweek article that falsely fingered the latter as Satoshi: https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/06/satoshi-dorian/ I still think it was Hal Finney, who was in similar cypherpunk circles, created the first PoW system, received the first Bitcoin transaction, lived in the same town as Dorian Nakamoto for 10 years, was di…

I think it's Nick Szabo. This is the article that convinced me: https://www.bitcoininsider.org/article/78686/i-designed-bitc...

Nah, it was Paul Le Roux https://www.wired.com/story/was-bitcoin-created-by-this-inte...

Re: Len Sassaman and Satoshi: A cypherpunk history

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Post by dereg »

trixie_ wrote: post #37

My money is on Paul Le Roux.. most hackers are too uppity to write windows software. Le Roux was a pragmatist with a real practical need to move dirty money without banks.

I went deep into the PLR rabbit hole because I too believed that PLR could have been Satoshi. The one dagger to the heart of the theory is that PLR lived in the Philippines at the time. If you line up Satoshi’s posting times with PLR’s local time zone, you’d have to assume that PLR was posting from 4-9ish in the Philippines.

Re: Len Sassaman and Satoshi: A cypherpunk history

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Post by miles »

nostrademons wrote: post #31

Satoshi came out of retirement in March 2014 to state that he was not Dorian Nakamoto, in the wake of a Newsweek article that falsely fingered the latter as Satoshi: https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/06/satoshi-dorian/ I still think it was Hal Finney, who was in similar cypherpunk circles, created the first PoW system, received the first Bitcoin transaction, lived in the same town as Dorian Nakamoto for 10 years, was di…

> Satoshi came out of retirement in March 2014 to state that he was not Dorian Nakamoto

It appears far from certain that Satoshi posted that message on Ning in March of 2014:

Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto targeted by email hack https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/09/bitcoin-c...

> An administrator of the semi-official Bitcoin Talk forum, Michael Marquardt, posted on Monday night that he had received an email from Nakamoto’s old address, “not spoofed in any way”, that made him certain the account was compromised.

> “It seems very likely that either Satoshi’s email account in particular or gmx.com in general was compromised, and the email account is now under the control of someone else,” Marquardt wrote under his username, theymos[1]. “Perhaps satoshin@gmx.com expired and then someone else registered it.”

> Shortly after Marquardt’s post, “Nakamoto” posted on the Ning messageboard, one of the first places the real Nakamoto announced the creation of Bitcoin. Using the same forum account to append a comment to that announcement, the apparent hacker warned Satoshi that his details were for sale.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.msg8734884#ms...

Re: Len Sassaman and Satoshi: A cypherpunk history

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Post by programmarchy »

doopy1 wrote: post #45
jjordan wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's Nick Szabo. This is the article that convinced me: https://www.bitcoininsider.org/article/78686/i-designed-bitc...

Nah, it was Paul Le Roux https://www.wired.com/story/was-bitcoin-created-by-this-inte...

It was also probably not one person, but a group.

Re: Len Sassaman and Satoshi: A cypherpunk history

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Post by temp8964 »

dcow wrote: post #32
temp8964 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the author of the article already assumes Satoshi is a single person. The name is simply a Japanese male name. So it is obviously wrong to call him "they". This kind of stupidity only works in Woke English. Translate it to most other languages will make the readers deeply confused: what's wrong with the writer? What's going on in his mind?

There is nothing woke about this. Trust me I am not a fan of useless woke constructs that exist to signal virtue. I’m sure we agree on that. This is not one of those things. When you are referring to some entity with unknown gender, you use “they” and “their” so as not to lead the reader or the person you're speaking towards any assumptions and just because it’s the clearly correct way to convey the state of affairs…

Lol. If what you said make any sense at all, why this they/them is not a norm in English already? Please explain why this is a new thing?
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