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Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

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Ten years ago I moved from Canada to the US. I was 2 years out of college, and the tiny local software consultancy I worked for went out of business after our clients refused to pay their invoices. (My hometown is notoriously stingy). My two friends/coworkers both took that opportunity to move away, one to Ottawa and one to NYC. At the same time, I had a friend on IRC who worked for Mozilla and she sold me on moving…

Whenever you do these kinds of comparisons US/Canada, remember to add in all of the taxes and fees you have no control of. I have found that Federal taxes are similar between the two countries, Provincial tax > state tax, but social security/medicare > other fiddly taxes. And the private health payments here were less than those at US employers. People often, I think, forget that they pay like 3X for US social security while getting 3X the eventual benefits - that recovers some of the difference. And the deductions for Canadian taxes (aside from mortgage interest) are more helpful, particularly with health-related payments. I would think Alberta looks quite favourable vs. California while Quebec looks bad vs. Texas. But property tax is quite reasonable (4.xK for 550K).

YMMV, but the aggregate cost here vs. where I've lived in the US has been less different than expected. Sales taxes are somewhat higher and the currency is 80% but it's nice not paying drug costs or copays.

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

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European. Moved to China. Studied here for two years, went back to Europe and then returned to China once again. When I returned I did one semester at university, studying Mandarin while looking for a job. I've now been working in Chinese tech for six years. Liking it and probably staying. Job market is hot but as a foreigner your options are fewer and speaking Mandarin is growing in importance year by year.

Just curious: shanghai or shenzhen? and did you make the conscious decision for the city or just follow the flow? (I'm still deciding between a year in China or Estonia)

First Shenzhen, then Shanghai.

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I moved from Scotland to Iceland just over ten years ago. The company I worked for exploded spectacularly and a company here came to pick up the pieces. I wanted to visit but didn’t really have any intention to live here. Initially I thought I might be here a couple of years and then move on again. It was super easy to move here due to the UK being in the EU at the time. Brexit didn’t change anything for me personall…

> It was super easy to move here due to the UK being in the EU at the time. Brexit didn’t change anything for me personally but has made me more keen to get citizenship here to get back in to Europe. I'm don't quite follow what you are saying here - Iceland wasn't (isn't) in the EU? So I imagine Brexit or not would have made zero difference to your situation.

Iceland is part of the EEA which still allows freedom of movement with EU members.

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

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Why? It could be it just doesn't suit your personality. If you a 'rise and grind' type of person, I can see it being hell.

Well I could enumerate all the material things that are worse in Europe and better in the US (I have lived in the US enough time to have an informed opinion), but that would get old, and in the end it would miss the point, as I could just as well enumerate countless things which are better in Europe compared to US. The real issue (which causes all the above differences anyway) is cultural. What matters is not compari…

Wow. I have lived, worked and paid taxes in Europe, the US and Australia. And the US ranks 3rd on my list of places where I would choose to live. I turned down a highly paid job in California and instead moved to Australia. They wanted to pay for my relocation, green card, everything. But I still said no. Best decision ever. Also, a friend of mine recently regretted moving to the US and happily returned to Australia. If Europe is such a terrible place for you to live why haven’t you moved to the US?

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Moving to an another country isn't for everyone. If you move to a richer country, foreigners are usually automatically treated differently. You go from being around equals to being the lowest tier in their social "caste" system. I moved to a neighboring country for about 3 years. I enjoy a far better living standard in my home country with half the pay. Money isn't everything.

> Moving to an another country isn't for everyone. If you move to a richer country, foreigners are usually automatically treated differently.

I'm sorry this was your experience. It sounds however like a very broad generalization. It is not my experience at all for me and other friends that have moved to richer and/or more developed countries.

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I could enumerate all the material things that are worse in Europe and better in the US (I have lived in the US enough time to have an informed opinion), but that would get old, and in the end it would miss the point, as I could just as well enumerate countless things which are better in Europe compared to US. The real issue (which causes all the above differences anyway) is cultural. What matters is not compari…

Wow. I have lived, worked and paid taxes in Europe, the US and Australia. And the US ranks 3rd on my list of places where I would choose to live. I turned down a highly paid job in California and instead moved to Australia. They wanted to pay for my relocation, green card, everything. But I still said no. Best decision ever. Also, a friend of mine recently regretted moving to the US and happily returned to Australia.…

Because getting a work visa for the US take a tremendous amount of effort. I would move tomorrow if I could.

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For reference, I’m from the Netherlands. I didn’t have any plans to emigrate until my friend introduced me to a small company in Japan that was looking for an engineer. I applied, but was rejected, so I thought that was that. Then a few months later I got another email. Their initial hire didn’t work out and now they wanted me to join. I worked remote for about a month while we got the visa process sorted (apparently…

> I didn’t speak the language at all, but western civilization is oddly similar even if the details are different. Never heard Japan being referred to as part of western civilization before.

I was referring to a way of living, as opposed to civilizations in the west. According to the definition that seems wrong, but I can’t think of a better term.

Daily life in Japan is practically similar to life in Europe. The rituals for buying food, going to restaurants, greeting one another. I’m not sure why I expected it to be different, but it wasn’t.

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> I didn’t speak the language at all, but western civilization is oddly similar even if the details are different. Never heard Japan being referred to as part of western civilization before.

I think that's just the good old ambiguity of the English language, I read it as: western civilization being oddly similar to Japanese civilisation (I'm a British native, but I don't claim to be any kind of arbiter of the English language!)

This interpretation works. It’s certainly the spirit of what I was trying to convey ;)

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

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For reference, I’m from the Netherlands. I didn’t have any plans to emigrate until my friend introduced me to a small company in Japan that was looking for an engineer. I applied, but was rejected, so I thought that was that. Then a few months later I got another email. Their initial hire didn’t work out and now they wanted me to join. I worked remote for about a month while we got the visa process sorted (apparently…

Have you been here recently? House prices are going absolutely crazy. To the point where there needs to be come intervention or policy to limit the size of the bubble. You're a chip designer? There may very well be movement in your area in the coming years in the EU - the EU want to build their silicon capabilities in the coming decade.

Yeah, house prices are fun in the Netherlands.

In my desired area they’re roughly similar to central Tokyo, so it’s not terrible in terms of price. But that’s in farming village nowhere as opposed to the center of the largest metropolis on earth. I can’t quite reconcile those two things.

Unfortunately I’m a developer. The Netherlands has quite enough high quality ones I think.

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Japan was known to have low salaries in tech. Has this changed nowadays?

You can very easily earn 100k USD in Tokyo if you're half decent.

At a selection of like 20 companies in total. 15 of which are likely inaccessible unless you are close to native Japanese.

I wouldn’t say it’s easy, but definitely possible.

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