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Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

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Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

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I mean you are dropping the whole colds are coronaviruses too part though. though, the "cold" has a bunch of possible viruses that cause it (something like 200 different viruses) with the rhinovirus being one of the larger ways since it's so resistant to being inactivated comparatively to sars2 which only lasts for a day to three as a fomite vector, is neutralized by soap and water or 70% IPA. If covid had a viral ve…

> I mean you are dropping the whole colds are coronaviruses too part though. There's only 4 coronaviruses that causes a cold: HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU1, HCoV-229E, and HCoV-NL63 The rest are rhinoviruses. ------- That's literally only 7 coronaviruses to care about (including the 4 that cause "common cold").

1) WIV took down their database, and a NIH version, in 2019.

Those listed around 30 corona sequences.

2) We don't know what corona viruses WIV is cultivating in its humanized mice and lab monkeys.

Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

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> “This study suggests that HEPA air cleaners, which remain little-used in Canadian hospitals, What, they are "little used"? I'd assume that's the first place that would have adopted them. So strange how some hospitals operate.

I suppose the cost of installation outweighed the minor inconvenience of colds and flus spreading in the past. Only now that we have a deadlier virus does it make sense.

Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

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You can build your own high-flow HEPA filter for about $45: 1x 20-inch box fan ($20) 1x 20x20 MERV-13+ MPR-2400+ HVAC air filter ($20) 1x roll of duct tape ($2.50) Air particle meters and other testing show they work just as well as big expensive machines (it's just the filter doing all the work). This is indeed a dirt cheap way to improve overall health.

Go with MERV-17 - 20 to achieve HEPA-like filtration.

Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

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I have believed this for about a year, based on things I was reading at that time. I thought this was widely known because as you point out, that’s kinda their purpose. This article acknowledges that it was shown to be effective in lab settings and this is mainly about seeing those results in real life settings. But come on, if anyone finds something that’s probably effective based on science and isn’t going to negat…

With the added bonus that it would be better for the students’ health generally and would likely improve overall educational outcomes. An awful lot of our handling of COVID has been farcical (a year and a half in, we’re still relying on cloth masks and obsessively sanitizing surfaces), but in the case of schools it’s veered toward absurdist/tragic.

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Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

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Not surprising? HEPA filters have been known to be able to filter viruses for some time; it's maybe the main reason they were invented? Not sure about that though.

I have believed this for about a year, based on things I was reading at that time. I thought this was widely known because as you point out, that’s kinda their purpose. This article acknowledges that it was shown to be effective in lab settings and this is mainly about seeing those results in real life settings. But come on, if anyone finds something that’s probably effective based on science and isn’t going to negat…

I'm student teaching in a third grade classroom, and I want to add a least a small counter:

We are required to have two HEPA filters always running in the classroom. They are loud. Combined with the fact that (1) children mumble, (2) the children have masks on, and (3) everyone is supposed to stay 3+ feet apart, it's quite hard to hear what a lot of kids are saying!

I don't know what the right answer is, but what we have now really sucks!

Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

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> “This study suggests that HEPA air cleaners, which remain little-used in Canadian hospitals, What, they are "little used"? I'd assume that's the first place that would have adopted them. So strange how some hospitals operate.

Early on in the pandemic, the Canadian IPAC (Infection Control and Prevention) establishment came down hard against theories of airborne COVID transmission, at first even going so far as to not recommend masking. Even now that the science of airborne transmission has been established, they're waging a rearguard battle to obfuscate/deny it and airborne protections such as better ventilation and masking. If you go to a Canadian hospital wearing an N95 these days there's a good chance they will insist you to take it off in favour of a "clean" surgical mask with gaps around the sides and nose.

Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have believed this for about a year, based on things I was reading at that time. I thought this was widely known because as you point out, that’s kinda their purpose. This article acknowledges that it was shown to be effective in lab settings and this is mainly about seeing those results in real life settings. But come on, if anyone finds something that’s probably effective based on science and isn’t going to negat…

I'm student teaching in a third grade classroom, and I want to add a least a small counter: We are required to have two HEPA filters always running in the classroom. They are loud. Combined with the fact that (1) children mumble, (2) the children have masks on, and (3) everyone is supposed to stay 3+ feet apart, it's quite hard to hear what a lot of kids are saying! I don't know what the right answer is, but what we…

The right answer is to buy better air purifiers, as good ones are nearly silent.

Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have believed this for about a year, based on things I was reading at that time. I thought this was widely known because as you point out, that’s kinda their purpose. This article acknowledges that it was shown to be effective in lab settings and this is mainly about seeing those results in real life settings. But come on, if anyone finds something that’s probably effective based on science and isn’t going to negat…

I'm student teaching in a third grade classroom, and I want to add a least a small counter: We are required to have two HEPA filters always running in the classroom. They are loud. Combined with the fact that (1) children mumble, (2) the children have masks on, and (3) everyone is supposed to stay 3+ feet apart, it's quite hard to hear what a lot of kids are saying! I don't know what the right answer is, but what we…

The point would be to have the central HVAC system be renovated to boost circulation with HEPA filters in the loop precisely so that you don't have to have two noisy things doing a middling job of a similar task in the classroom itself.

Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have believed this for about a year, based on things I was reading at that time. I thought this was widely known because as you point out, that’s kinda their purpose. This article acknowledges that it was shown to be effective in lab settings and this is mainly about seeing those results in real life settings. But come on, if anyone finds something that’s probably effective based on science and isn’t going to negat…

I'm student teaching in a third grade classroom, and I want to add a least a small counter: We are required to have two HEPA filters always running in the classroom. They are loud. Combined with the fact that (1) children mumble, (2) the children have masks on, and (3) everyone is supposed to stay 3+ feet apart, it's quite hard to hear what a lot of kids are saying! I don't know what the right answer is, but what we…

The obvious answer would be for the school to not rely on portable fans with filters on them, but instead actually upgrade the building you’re in.

Re: Real-world data show that filters clean Covid-causing virus from air

#40

Obviously. So what would’ve happened if we had created a zillion jobs installing air filtration to create healthier workplaces across many dimensions (not just Covid) instead of paying people to stay home?

Do you have a time machine to bring this bit of information back in time? And, would anyone have believed you? Many things are obvious in hindsight.

We had the information. It’s why we didn’t have huge outbreaks related to planes.

Anyone who looked into this, including me, knew this more than a year ago.

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