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Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

#131
Mexico ——> US

Commuted across the Tijuana-San Diego border for a few years then relocated definitely for GC

Path was TN, H1B, GC then citizenship

There was no plan, just getting to the next stage and figuring things out - very lucky it all worked out

Grew up on the border with US culture so close, getting a job, moving, daily life has not been difficult at all, feels like home.

We have a house in each country. Although I love visiting Mexico I can’t see myself ever moving back due to violence

My work is in the US, but all our family is in Mexico, so it feels like I still have one foot on each side.

My current dream though is to be able to live in Europe for a couple of years and experience life over there

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? It could be it just doesn't suit your personality. If you a 'rise and grind' type of person, I can see it being hell.

Well I could enumerate all the material things that are worse in Europe and better in the US (I have lived in the US enough time to have an informed opinion), but that would get old, and in the end it would miss the point, as I could just as well enumerate countless things which are better in Europe compared to US. The real issue (which causes all the above differences anyway) is cultural. What matters is not compari…

Thank you for this.I am also working in Austria it is the way you describe it.

There's very little exchange of new ideas and new approaches.Once you reach "good enough" it's impossible to question the state of things.Especially if you are not austrian or native german speaker.

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

#133
Sweden-> Ireland (5 years)

Ireland -> Switzerland (3 years so far)

I wanted to switch jobs after 7 years, and got an offer from Google. They handled relocation to Ireland.

After five years, I wanted to leave, but didn't feel like going home. So I transferred within Google to Switzerland. Again, they handled relocation. Now I've left Google, after 7 years, of course.

No plans on going anywhere but back to Sweden. There's no rush, though.

Generally, it's been fine. I'm sure the locals make fun of me (at least two Gardai in Dublin Airport did...), but it's not been a problem. I stay humble, since I'm a guest. Learning new paperwork is probably the least fun part of getting to know a culture. Hasn't been too bad, in retrospect. Authorities have been generally helpful, if a bit square-shaped.

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

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Moved from the UK to France after the Brexit vote (the last chance to easily move my family to another country and have my kids grow up as Europeans with the ability to work and live in the EU country of their choice, access low cost or free university education etc.) I'm a contractor and felt reasonably sure I could find work as an android developer in most large cities - Paris is also close enough that if things re…

> with the ability to work and live in the EU country of their choice, I have to ask what is stopping someone in the UK from doing that post-Brexit? I imagine there's more paper-work, but that doesn't sound like a hardship? Feels extreme to move your whole family just to reduce the minor frictions. Glad it worked out for you though.

It's not really a matter of paper work, you simply don't have the right to move to another country just because you feel like it. Whereas it's a key pillar of EU membership.

As a non EU citizen, immigrating depends on that specific country's requirements, but typically it would be a time limited arrangement, you'd need to pass a language test, find a company willing to sponsor the effort (so your residency is tied to that specific that job, and if you loose it you need to leave), that job would need to be at a certain level (e.g managerial level), the job would need to be in a field where there are national shortages, the sponsoring company would need to prove that it had made the effort to fill the job with a local first. If you're rich enough you can alternatively pay to create a business with maybe 100k capital and employ 1 or 2 nationals on a continuing basis and get your residency that way. Software developers no doubt have an easier time than most given the lack of software devs, but it's not a given by any means.

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're the same age. I'm from the South West, but called Warwick my home. Before Corona I visited family in the South West regularly - driving along the M20 > M4 > M5 or M20 > M4 > A-roads. Dover, Maidstone, Swindon, Bath, Bristol and Exeter all look and feel worse with every visit. The shops are where you see it the most. In the past towns were full of boutique places. They have been replaced by "pound shops" and pla…

My experience is mostly UK / USA and small parts of France and Denmark. It's funny you say the UK feels like a 3rd world country...I had that experience in the USA, whereby you see people who were visibly mentally ill just out of hospital (they would still be in hospital gowns) on street corners shouting at cars driving past. Walking around in Miami we were warned from a passer by (she obviously heard our accents and…

"Honestly I think the UK has a lot going for it - very low levels of corruption, good law and court systems, good education, low levels of crime outside of London stabbings, the NHS, excellent Civil Service, The National Trust, English/Scottish Heritage."

Except the heritage everything that you mentioned here has gone to shit.

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

#136
Is the implied question "/from/ the US"? :)

I moved from Russia to Canada and then US, my story is probably very typical, with some variation because (a) I didn't plan or expect it (b) to me, it actually didn't feel like much of anything.

I was a web/fullstack developer in Moscow and never considered myself anywhere near "FAANG" (or whatever it was in 2007) material. The lucky trigger was the fact that I was really passionate about tech and consumed a ton of media on programming. Actually someone from Chicago sent me an interview request based on my activity on some webdev forum, but they ghosted me when they realized I'm not US-based.

Anyway I was subscribed to 1000 tech blogs and randomly saw a BigCo recruiting event in Moscow. I decided to go just for lulz, and didn't get hired... I definitely remember bombing the "does the linked list have a P-shaped cycle" question. Apparently they were on the fence enough that they invited me to another event for a different team, where I again bombed at least one leetcode-style question, but really aced a design question that was supposed to be "open ended" and "impossible to finish in 45 minutes" but we finished it to some approximation and had time for idle chat :)

So, out of the blue I was moving to Canada. The relocation itself was easy if tedious, as it is typically in such cases, so I won't go into that.

I am not sure why, but adapting to life in Canada and later in the US was pretty easy, I really don't remember having any major cultural issues, or adaptation issues... I did hang out a lot with Russian speakers esp. for the first few years, because it was the path of least resistance I guess (and they worked in the same building); but e.g. I used to hang out in Vancouver equally well with Russians, Canadians, or even occasionally Turks (I used to speak a tiny bit); I even got drunk with some anglo right-wingers once who were ranting /to me/ about francophones, who were (unlike me apparently) "not true Canadians". Or e.g. I ended up married to a "regular" (i.e. not an immigrant for 100+ years) American who I met thru a hobby. I am really not clear why other people have cultural problems (I understand it's a real issue for many, I just don't intuitively grok why it should be so). Moved from Canada to the USA due to job market concerns, changed jobs, moved states, gotten married, bought houses, etc. in a way that is not in any way special to an immigrant as far as I can tell.

It sounds like the first half of a bad joke about two immigrants arguing who could assimilate better ;) But, living in a different country didn't really "feel" special. The "system" (using the term very broadly) of life in the US/Canada is different (and better in most aspects IMHO) than in Russia, and the US is slightly different (and better in the plurality of aspects IMHO) than Canada, but it just doesn't feel noteworthy that you do things differently in different places. (If my wife agreed) I could totally see myself going back to Russia, or to another country, if I thought the life there would be a lot better.

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

#137
Ten years ago I moved from Canada to the US.

I was 2 years out of college, and the tiny local software consultancy I worked for went out of business after our clients refused to pay their invoices. (My hometown is notoriously stingy). My two friends/coworkers both took that opportunity to move away, one to Ottawa and one to NYC.

At the same time, I had a friend on IRC who worked for Mozilla and she sold me on moving to the Bay Area. I have since come to believe that she sold me a bill of goods, but at the time she made it sound like an amazing place to live.

I didn't have very many social ties back home, and I was too naieve to have any understanding of the costs and difficulty of going to a different country (even one so similar to my home). So moving seemed like not a big deal. Worst case, I can just move back. If I knew how stressful it would be, I probably wouldn't have done it. But I'm glad I did.

As for how I did it? Well, I came on a TN visa, which is a NAFTA thing that is very easy to get and entitles you to work at a specific employer for a period of up to 3 years. So before I could move, I needed to find a job. I started cold-applying to Rails jobs posted here on HN as well as on a bunch of other job boards. I interviewed at three or four other places (each time getting flown out to SF for the process) before finding a job that wanted me, and that I wanted. As for timelines, I started applying to job postings in mid February, and I moved at the start of May

Finding a new job was very easy, all things considered. Based on what I hear from junior programmer friends, it's much harder now. I'm not sure why it is. I'm not sure if things have changed, or if I had some kind of special situation that made people notice me.

Overall, I absolutely hated living in the Bay Area, for reasons I'm sure have been discussed by a billion people on HN already. I moved to Texas in 2018 and it's much more my speed here. But as for the US vs Canada as a whole? If I never set foot in Canada ever again (and that's looking more and more like a reality every day), I'm fine with that. As far as countries go, Canada is pretty good. There are certainly worse places you could go. But here's a scattershot list of some things that stick out to me when I think about my different experiences

* I make way, way more money in the US, and pay way, way less in taxes. The money goes farther (everything in Canada is expensive compared to here). Economically, I am so much better off. For every conceivable consumer good, there are 3x as many choices here vs there. And the one that surprises people: my healthcare is actually cheaper in the US (if you compare the premiums that I _and my employer_ pay, vs the extra taxes I would pay back home).

* I appreciate American culture more. I like that people aren't afraid to take risks here. I like shooting guns. I like that so much of the cutting edge of science and technology is here. One thing I noticed in Canada (maybe it has since changed) is that, since they don't have nearly the talent pool that the US does, everything in tech just felt like a constant game of catch-up.

* There's so much more to see and do here. Canada is like a string of cities, each surrounded by five hundred miles of nothing. It's incredibly beautiful nothing, and I'd like to see it again some day, but it is what it is. In the US, I can hop on a plane and go to any kind of geography within 3 or 4 hours (at ~1/3 the cost of a Canadian flight). I can see artists who would never come to where I grew up. I can see cities that are meaningfully different from each other and explore all kinds of historical places.

* The obvious contentious current cultural and political things. Leaving this one vague because I am not trying to start an argument and don't want this to devolve into a flame thread

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

#138
I moved from India to Thailand to Sweden. And I feel I will stay here for few more years now. Started at a well known global consultancy (ThoughtWorks) which gave me opportunity to travel world for different assignments. Then in Thailand chose to stay for extended period because Thailand . Eventually got kids so was looking for more stable country. Got offer with Spotify and now here since 2017. Didn't took lot of effort moving different countries since I am working on DevOps/SRE/Agile/Cloud which has been in extremely high demand last few years. I think moving to Sweden was very good decision since it gave more stability as I got my first house here and kid loves the country and snow.

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

#139

Sweden-> Ireland (5 years) Ireland -> Switzerland (3 years so far) I wanted to switch jobs after 7 years, and got an offer from Google. They handled relocation to Ireland. After five years, I wanted to leave, but didn't feel like going home. So I transferred within Google to Switzerland. Again, they handled relocation. Now I've left Google, after 7 years, of course. No plans on going anywhere but back to Sweden. Ther…

> Now I've left Google, after 7 years, of course.

Why “of course”?

Re: Ask HN: What is your story of immigrating to another country?

#140

Sweden -> Denmark Denmark -> Sweden Sweden -> Malta (2 kids, stayed only 4 months in Malta) Malta -> Bolivia (stayed 2 years) Bolivia -> Sweden (bought a house and finally we will settle) Sweden -> Spain (with 3 kids, got an offer I could not refuse) Spain -> Sweden (in year 2023, hope this will be the final) Some pain points: changing schools for the kids, learning new languages, residency and citizenship, paperwork…

If I might ask, what prompted all those moves? Sounds like at least one was for a job, perhaps others too?
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