O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11 • Hacker News Board

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by schleck8 » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:07 PM UTC

spicybright wrote: post #2

How does this compare to TronScript? https://www.reddit.com/r/TronScript/ https://github.com/bmrf/tron/blob/master/README.md#use

Can someone explain these two decisions for me?

>DO NOT DOWNLOAD TRON FROM GITHUB, IT WILL NOT WORK!! YOU NEED THE ENTIRE PACKAGE FROM r/TronScript

> Download Tron. The download links are in the top post in /r/TronScript. If you download the self-extracting .exe file, run it and it will extract tron.bat and the \resources folder to the current directory. Copy both of them to the Desktop of the target

Why package a BAT file with an EXE? Even if it has to be distributed in a container, why not a simple ZIP?

And the subreddit literally has a thread with a table that contains download links and a torrent, why would you not include that in the readme?

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by netr0ute » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:11 PM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #59

tumblewit wrote: post #53

Its funny how Windows and Android, the two most widely used operating systems, are a privacy nightmare and basically spyware at this point. Remember you can install tools and ROMs that are privacy focussed but also realise only a minor percentage of the users bother or are aware of these. I wonder what the sales pitch would be to sell privacy focussed products to the average Joe.

Both of these are the cheaper option in their respective market. iOS and macOS are expensive because the hardware is expensive (as in, the hardware in part pays for the development of the software), and Linux is expensive in that it's almost always more time-consuming to set up since it doesn't have Windows' first-class driver, hardware, and software support.

> since it doesn't have Windows' first-class driver, hardware, and software support.

Ironically, Linux sometimes has better driver and software support for specialized things like Thunderbolt ethernet adapters, or software if it was written for MacOS but later adapted to Linux because of their similarity within the scope of POSIX. And, because Windows can't run 16-bit software on 64-bit CPUs at all, Linux has the total advantage here because WINE works with 16-bit as well.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:12 PM UTC

dannyw wrote: post #52

GordonS wrote: post #45

Microsoft has faced so much criticism for their approach to telemetry - I don't really understand why they don't at least provide the option to opt out of all telemetry. If they left it enabled by default, but provided an option to opt-out, realistically only a small segment of users would do so, and most of them would likely be power users who are already taking other steps to try to prevent telemetry being collecte…

Telemetry isn't just a tool for product managers, but it's also a goldmine for national security agencies (more than just the NSA; Bing is unblocked in China for a reason). Anti-government meme made with GIMP at a specific timestamp? One search through the telemetry logs to find who exported a file at that exact moment. Any data collection is also government surveillance unless proven otherwise.

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Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by marcodiego » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:13 PM UTC

iratewizard wrote: post #49

marcodiego wrote: post #4

Free as in beer. I wouldn't trust such an intrusive proprietary application on my machine from a vendor who doesn't need to care about its reputation.

They're a Microsoft gold partner. Their reputation is on the line.

Their with microsoft, you mean. Considering microsoft's reputation with regard to telemetry and other abuses, I'd say it doesn't mean much.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by reayn » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:13 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #58

tibbetts wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple has (with varying success) been making that pitch for several years.

There's no privacy on Apple with a closed source ecosystem and all the iCloud connectivity syncing your every move.

The “closed source ecosystem” is not nearly as restrictive as people make it out to be and is something that you willingly sign up for when buying apple products.

Not sure where you got the idea of “icloud syncing your every move” but literally every icloud implementation can be disabled at your discretion.

I for one only have my reminders, wallet, calendar and drive synced.

Even with that said, none of this implies a lack of privacy in any way.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by bravetraveler » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:15 PM UTC

netr0ute wrote: post #62

judge2020 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both of these are the cheaper option in their respective market. iOS and macOS are expensive because the hardware is expensive (as in, the hardware in part pays for the development of the software), and Linux is expensive in that it's almost always more time-consuming to set up since it doesn't have Windows' first-class driver, hardware, and software support.

> since it doesn't have Windows' first-class driver, hardware, and software support. Ironically, Linux sometimes has better driver and software support for specialized things like Thunderbolt ethernet adapters, or software if it was written for MacOS but later adapted to Linux because of their similarity within the scope of POSIX. And, because Windows can't run 16-bit software on 64-bit CPUs at all, Linux has the tot…

Agreed! Just wanted to pile on, the driver thing is a bit hit/miss.

Broadcom/Realtek (sometimes)? Good luck. Intel/AMD/Aquantia? Probably good to go.

There are vendors that give Linux first-class support; buy them.

edit: Realtek is a little hard to pinpoint, they tend to have drivers... but fairly buggy.

I have to replace the r8169 module or something similar with r8125 for my (onboard) networking to work under stress. If I push too much bandwidth, it'll just drop.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by 0xFreebie » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:15 PM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #45

Microsoft has faced so much criticism for their approach to telemetry - I don't really understand why they don't at least provide the option to opt out of all telemetry. If they left it enabled by default, but provided an option to opt-out, realistically only a small segment of users would do so, and most of them would likely be power users who are already taking other steps to try to prevent telemetry being collecte…

Because they are pivoting to being an ad company like Google.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by 2Gkashmiri » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:17 PM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #59

tumblewit wrote: post #53

Its funny how Windows and Android, the two most widely used operating systems, are a privacy nightmare and basically spyware at this point. Remember you can install tools and ROMs that are privacy focussed but also realise only a minor percentage of the users bother or are aware of these. I wonder what the sales pitch would be to sell privacy focussed products to the average Joe.

Both of these are the cheaper option in their respective market. iOS and macOS are expensive because the hardware is expensive (as in, the hardware in part pays for the development of the software), and Linux is expensive in that it's almost always more time-consuming to set up since it doesn't have Windows' first-class driver, hardware, and software support.

come on. i use an old dell latitude e7440 which i run kde neon on. takes 15 minutes to get installed and i can get surfing in 16. No nonsense, no nothing. i assume newer devices would be better but "time consuming to set up" is something i have not seen in the last 3-5 years of my using 100% exclusively linux devices.

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by entropie » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:17 PM UTC

squizzel wrote: post #60

tumblewit wrote: post #53

Its funny how Windows and Android, the two most widely used operating systems, are a privacy nightmare and basically spyware at this point. Remember you can install tools and ROMs that are privacy focussed but also realise only a minor percentage of the users bother or are aware of these. I wonder what the sales pitch would be to sell privacy focussed products to the average Joe.

Can you throw out some example tools and ROMs?

I used that a few years ago and liked it: https://www.lineageos.org/

Re: O&O ShutUp10++ – Free anti-spy tool for Windows 10, 11

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Post by mavhc » Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 3:19 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #58

tibbetts wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple has (with varying success) been making that pitch for several years.

There's no privacy on Apple with a closed source ecosystem and all the iCloud connectivity syncing your every move.

"the researchers' iPhone transmitted more kinds of data, including device location, the device's local Internet Protocol (IP) address and the Wi-Fi network identifiers — the MAC addresses — of other devices on the local network, including home Wi-Fi routers."