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Delta does not appear to make children sicker
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Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
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Yes you can get natural immunity from COVID. You can also get dead, or permanent brain or lung damage. Get the shots.
Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots. So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.
If the vaccine causes those symptoms, the actual virus will likely, too. And worse.
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I agree that this has been overly politicized, I think you're attempting a moral equivalence here that is wrong. One side is pushing 100% vaccination, which scientists say is the best way to solve this. The other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine.
No. There's a third side pushing for the Scandinavian solution. Pro-vaccine, but anti-mandate. A little while ago, everyone wanted to be like Norway or Denmark or Sweden -- now they pretend these countries don't exist. Edit: of course I got shadowbanned from Hacker News for opposing the surveillance state. Curse you. Edit 2: someone below says "The Scandinavian countries all have vaccine cards, however, and permit pe…
The Scandinavian countries all have vaccine cards, however, and permit people to discriminate based on whether one has those.
The U.S. won’t jail you if you refuse the vaccine. But you have to stay home. This is functionally identical to the Scandinavian solution, minus public buildings and minus a federal vaccine certificate.
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
#54Double-whammy article, second title: Secondary immune response stronger after infection than after shot
Even though all the science points to infection being better than vaccination at creating immune response, it's not accepted as an alternative. Ridiculous IMO.
FWIW, no, all the science does not point to an infection being better than a vaccine.
A well cited article that discusses this: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-v...
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
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> Kids in school spread diseases like kudzu I was expecting this at the start of this school year but it hasn’t really borne out as bad as I thought.
It hasn't happened in my kids' schools because they have stringent safety protocols. Mandatory masking, faculty and staff are required to vaccinate and spot testing. They will also shut down at least cohorts of kids to do two weeks of remote learning if there's a confirmed case. This is NYC schools who administer about 1M kids of varying means. A buried story from last year is that nationwide there was exactly 1 conf…
> A buried story from last year is that nationwide there was exactly 1 confirmed child influenza death in the entire country. There was 200 the year before. It speaks to the disease prevention protocols being very effective.
Obviously, nobody wants children to die from influenza or COVID, but what are the long-term consequences of young immune systems receiving significantly less exposure to pathogens?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/opinion/sunday/covid-quar...
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is anyone seriously arguing both against the vaccine and pro infection? People are just saying (and science confirms) that previously infected shouldn't be discriminated against or forced to vaccinate.
There have been literal COVID parties as anti-vaxxers try to get immunity the natural way. The moral hazard of legitimizing natural immunity is very real. Yes the biological science shows that natural antibodies work well, but social science tells us what dumb people will do it that's supported as a solution.
> The moral hazard of legitimizing natural immunity is very real.
It hasn’t for other vaccines/diseases. For example when I went back to grad school and didn’t have a shot record they they tested me for anitibodies instead of using more vaccines. I was low on MMR so got a booster but didn’t need varicella and various others. No big deal.
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even though all the science points to infection being better than vaccination at creating immune response, it's not accepted as an alternative. Ridiculous IMO.
FWIW, no, all the science does not point to an infection being better than a vaccine. A well cited article that discusses this: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-v...
"Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination," the authors concluded.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
From the article :')
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes you can get natural immunity from COVID. You can also get dead, or permanent brain or lung damage. Get the shots.
Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots. So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.
Heart issues occur at a rate of 1 in 49 million. AKA, you’re about 50x more likely to be hit by lightning at 1 in 1 million odds.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm
To turn this probability into dice rolls, roll 10d6, and look to get all 1’s.
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with infection to provide immunity is its variability, not its strength. It's kind of moot anyways, infection + vaccine is better than just an infection.
What do you mean the variability?
> researchers looking at SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in people who had recovered found that the difference between the highest and lowest levels varied by a factor of over 1,000.
Citations in: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/06/antibody-testing-sug...
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW, no, all the science does not point to an infection being better than a vaccine. A well cited article that discusses this: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-v...
"Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination," the authors concluded. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... From the article :')
Yes, an article discussing how different studies show different results also quotes authors of studies that show a negative result, what a surprise... not quite the "gotcha" you suggest it is. It also references studies in the other direction, that's the point of that article.