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Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Basecamp's angry worker faction was demanding the company apologize for contributing to a white supremacist, genocidal culture... because some customer service folks had a funny customer name list that included names from all backgrounds. That had absolutely nothing to do with basic dignity for marginalized groups. It was simply a grab for power and status. One of many. We who have been watching are very familiar wit…

This is a fantastically creative misrepresentation. No one demanded anyone apologize for contributing to a genocidal culture for anything. And yes I know you're referring to the pyramid. It also misses out on plenty of other content too, but that bit was fantastically creative, really.

Nah.

I was slightly off in my memory, but I went back to some of the original blogs [1] and news reports [2] and there was indeed a specific employee demand that leadership acknowledge the customer list as something to be included in the pyramid of hate, as contributing to a colonial, genocidal culture. That this would require an apology was not explicitly stated, but it goes without saying, since there had already been apologies all around for the lesser offense, the general inappropriateness of the list.

In his blog post, DHH pointed out exactly where the dispute was: "It's still inappropriate for us to be laughing at individually named customers in our company Campfires, but not because there are any racist or colonial overtones to it." [emphasis mine] DHH simply didn't want the list spuriously connected to the serious moral offenses of bigotry and racism, with all the consequences that would open up.

This isn't to deny that a completely different sort of list, in a completely different context, could be validly cited as within the pyramid of hate. And it's fine to bring that up, so long as you note that what happened obviously wasn't that. But the angry employees didn't note that, because it wasn't part of their game. In fact, demanding that leadership frame the list as the sort of thing that contributes to colonialism and genocide, rather than merely being immature and inappropriate in the workplace, was a first step in setting off a moral panic where the instigators would call all the shots. Again, those of us who have been paying attention have seen many examples of this.

Other points of controversy, like the implicit demand that leadership take sides on the existence of white supremacy within the company precisely because an employee denied it was present [3], present even clearer examples of the Kafka-trapping and moral panic-mongering that was unfolding within the company.

Hansson and Fried were smart to nip it in the bud, and nip it in the bud publicly. They set a great example of how to show these people the door.

[1] https://world.hey.com/dhh/let-it-all-out-78485e8e

[2] https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406673/basecamp-politic...

[3] https://www.platformer.news/p/-how-basecamp-blew-up

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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post #566

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Noisy echo chambers are uninclusive to anyone who doesn't hold that precise political viewpoint. We both know that the program goes way beyond "black people shouldn't be indiscriminately shot", its driven by people who are addicted to social media and perpetually pushing for another rush of outrage. I'd prefer not to be around that, personally.

> We both know that the program goes way beyond "black people shouldn't be indiscriminately shot" I say we call their bluff and stop shooting black people indiscrimately anyway. That'll show 'em.

How many people are you shooting?

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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post #430

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You're assuming that everyone that think about things systemically end up with the same views. I don't think that's true.

Most do, though, because there does tend to be a more correct position on this class of stuff.

I don't think that's the case at all. What is even a "more correct position"? Isn't that just following the consensus?

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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post #323

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I don't know, more people celebrate Christmas compared to Pride month, but saying "Merry Christmas" can be seen as controversial. It's hard to imagine that "happy Pride month" is completly neutral.

I've literally never seen anyone complain about "Merry Christmas" except in Fox News fever dreams. Are there actually any examples of people complaining about it? On the other hand, people don't greet me with "happy pride" during June, but they do greet me with "merry Christmas" during December, so perhaps there's a false equivalency there too.

Here's one article from Grammarly about why you should use "Happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" https://www.grammarly.com/blog/happy-holidays-or-merry-chris....

> If you say “Merry Christmas” to someone who celebrates Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, or nothing at all, you could make them feel marginalized: like their own beliefs aren’t valued or respected by society. And that’s not a good way to feel around the holidays.

I'm not sure if that fits "examples of people complaining about it" however, as it's more "people trying to protect the feeling of marginalized groups", which isn't the same.

> On the other hand, people don't greet me with "happy pride" during June, but they do greet me with "merry Christmas" during December, so perhaps there's a false equivalency there too.

That's fair. Pride month is not a thing where I live, so it's hard to know exactly how people experience it. I was under the impression that it was really important and lots of people talked about it, but maybe it depends on where you live, or maybe it was a warped vision of reality.

Though to go back to the original subject, if people don't greet you with "happy Pride" during June, then wishing it would be definitely not neutral.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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post #177

Charitably, “don’t want to be distracted by politics” means “the status quo works for me”. This doesn’t mean anyone at Coinbase is ill-intentioned, but given the status quo, there’s a lot of people it won’t work for.

No, it means "if the status quo doesn't work for me, I focus on changing it outside of my work". Like I work out outside of my dining room and sleep outside of my garage.

People bemoan the dissolution of boundaries between work and personal life, then go around passionately advocating for the further dissolution of those boundaries.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

#607

So does a "Championship team" mean you get paid like a champion? Or does it just mean you have to work like a champion, and get a 1% raise when you're working like crazy? Just curious because I don't know coinbase that well.

They pay extremely well, yes. You can look at levels.fyi for specifics.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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post #486

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The most aggressive estimates I've seen are below 1% (maybe around half), which is quite literally a rounding error. Don't get me wrong I agree it's a lot, but it's a drop in the bucket on the global scale. What about the fact that china is pumping out something like 1/3rd of the world's emissions? What about excess livestock? FWIW - I do agree that PoW is not ideal and will largely be phased out, but there are lower…

In the neighborhood of 1 percent of all energy consumption, for literally nothing, is a colossal waste. Try to think of it in tons of coal. You proud of that?

"literally nothing" is your opinion.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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post #486

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The most aggressive estimates I've seen are below 1% (maybe around half), which is quite literally a rounding error. Don't get me wrong I agree it's a lot, but it's a drop in the bucket on the global scale. What about the fact that china is pumping out something like 1/3rd of the world's emissions? What about excess livestock? FWIW - I do agree that PoW is not ideal and will largely be phased out, but there are lower…

There are things within our control and things that aren't. Driving up the price of bitcoin will lead to more energy consumption, so I don't buy it, even though it might lead to juicy gains. Livestock also lead to excessive greenhouse gas emissions, so I don't buy it either, even if it could lead to juicy steak. Lots of lower cap proof of stake cryptos (and Ethereum, which is moving to Proof of Stake) are likely to o…

I agree with you. I'm not talking about bitcoin, but crypto as a whole.

Re: 1 Year of Coinbase as a mission focused company

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Brian disagrees, he opened his discussion of the benefits by saying: "it has allowed us to hire some of the best talent from organizations where employees are fed up with politics, infighting, and distraction".

This is definitely not true (shrug) Attrition has more than doubled and most engineering teams are critically understaffed.

That claim isn't the opposite of his, though.

Regardless, if I recall correctly Coinbase paid people generously to leave if they disagreed! Pretty hard not to increase attrition with a policy like that.

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