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Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by lozenge »

dragonwriter wrote: post #28
CogitoCogito wrote: post #26

Even those who support qualified immunity should find it difficult to support continued qualified immunity for those repeatedly breaking laws. I don’t understand how the individuals of the article can repeatedly break the law yet still not be held personally responsible.

> Even those who support qualified immunity should find it difficult to support continued qualified immunity for those repeatedly breaking laws. If the logic of QI (the “qualified" refers to the legal clarity of the violation) applies at all, it applies to every offense that meets the qualification. There is no coherent argument otherwise.

> qualified immunity is a legal principle that grants government officials performing discretionary (optional) functions immunity from civil suits unless the plaintiff shows that the official violated "clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known".

After so many reports, investigations, and hiding their own statistics because they were embarrassing, it's clear they "reasonably should have known" about the childrens' rights. Qualified immunity shouldn't help them here.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by johnisgood »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #12

This isn't surprising. Even before the Civil War, the justice system was used to target and disrupt the black community as well as line the pockets of the local white community. We see this historical in this story where they trawl for charges that fit, and when they can't find one, they make one up "criminal responsibility for conduct of another.". Even the filter system they use is inconsistent in it's verbiage of…

It seems like everything is a damn profit center these days. Prisons, hospitals, whatever.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by robinsoh »

andyxor wrote: post #31

with the recent trend of bringing up race everywhere from shampoo ads to Netflix series to fake news to fake elections I can't trust anything which mentions race in the title. If this is true prove it in court.

> with the recent trend of bringing up race everywhere from shampoo ads to Netflix series to fake news to fake election I can't trust anything which mentions race in the title.

I'm not aware of such a trend. Is your claim for this trend evidence based? Is it peer reviewed? Can we trust your claim since you also highlight race in your claim?

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by hnbad »

a0-prw wrote: post #2

If this is true, it's insane. Really, in a "civilised" country ?

You may not know this but your question is somewhat ironic.

The narrative of doing this "for their own good" is a lot like the language used to justify abducting children from native families in North America to "kill the savage, save the child" and "civilize" those children in white schools.

"Civilized" is an extremely loaded term and it's worth reflecting on whom we label as "uncivilized" and how we actually behave in comparison.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by hnbad »

secondcoming wrote: post #29

Why the capitalisation of 'black' and 'latino', but not 'white'? Is there a grammatical rule, or is it just politics?

It's both! Fun fact: language evolves with its use and so does spelling.

Here's a longer explanation: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-capitalize-word-black_l_5...

It explains why Black is capitalized but it also explains the reasoning behind some style guides deciding one way or the other when it comes to (w|W)hite.

The short version is that prior to the move to capitalize Black white supremacists were already capitalizing White so doing it sends some mixed messages especially when you don't already have a clear reputation for being anti-racist (resolving the ambiguity). Additionally white and Black as racial categories work very differently: operationally, (to use a strained analogy I just now came up with that someone will surely try to poke holes into) white behaves as a racial category like bald does as a hair color (i.e. it's defined by the absence of other qualifiers, hence the "one drop" rhetoric).

If you want to better understand the reasoning behind treating white differently, I suggest looking into articles about decolonization but it can take some suspension of judgement to understand the full reasoning if you're used to thinking everything is fine and nothing fundamentally needs to change. If you already let out an audible groan when seeing the URL of the article I linked, I suggest moving on to a different topic and coming back to it when you're in a more curious mood.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by _hilro »

pjc50 wrote: post #34
justusw wrote: post #3

The judge, Davenport, sounds like an insane person.

No, she's just a racist. Motivated reasoning is an incredibly strong force. (It's very tempting to regard people we strongly disagree with as insane, but it's a mistake that both impairs dealing with actual mental illness compassionately and fighting them politically. She's perfectly rational and sane, she's just reasoning from a set of beliefs and emotional values that you find abhorrent)

Whilst the main story of the focus is the case involving black kids, the story also details the case of a white kid wronged by this person.

If stats were available to show black children in general were targeted, the piece would have included them.

Including 'Black children' in the title is unnecessary other than one of the arresting officers in this particular case wondered would this(arresting/cuffing at school over being an observer) happen in a white school.

She's an idiot. She may also be a racist but the article doesn't provide any evidence for that.

I wonder sometimes if people ever read past the headline and first paragraph.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by vegetablepotpie »

Judge Donna Scott Davenport was reported in the article as having disobeyed a ruling from a higher court.

> Davenport, finding that a mother had neglected her daughter, granted custody to another couple. Two higher courts disagreed and ordered Davenport to reunify the mother and child. Instead, Davenport terminated the mother’s parental rights.

I looked her up, she’s still serving as a judge (term is up in 2022). I am surprised that the judicial system keeps judges around that disobey higher courts. You would think that violating a basic foundation of the legal system would grant swift rebuke, but no.

Re: Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist

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Post by crawfordcomeaux »

For all those who don't understand how this could happen, there's an important word nobody says and it explains everything:

Adultism.

There's clearly racial components to this story and others like it, but let's be very clear: this is the result of a society that doesn't value children, treats them largely like objects, and for sure doesn't care for their needs.

How can I make these claims?

There's a pandemic and yet school is still in session and in person. Did we reorganize society to protect the children? Temporarily, but when the economy started getting shaky, it was back to school for everyone so the parents could get back to work. Even if the claim of "not letting the children fall behind in school" is genuine, it's to enforce standards cultivated by adults for the sake of creating a certain type of person.

Are the systems deciding the fate of those people under the age of 18 AT ALL informed by those people under the age of 18? They are explicitly not. People under the age of 18 are there for the systems to do with as they choose. There is no solidarity with children or respect for their individual autonomy/consent.

And it's very easy to prove the systems don't care about the childrens' needs:

Humans have a finite set of needs. What are they? If you don't know, you weren't taught them. By systems designed to do something other than care for you and meet your needs. Any system dealing with children that can't produce a list of human needs is responsible for carrying a culture of adultism.

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