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Re: The American Aristotle

#11

Also a white supremacist. Not a good looks there Charlie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Sanders_Peirce#Slavery... The syllogism is too much.

I don't get it. How did you come to the conclusion that he's a white supremacist? This is the syllogism: All Men are equal in their political rights. Negroes are Men. Therefore, negroes are equal in political rights to whites. If you're talking about his use of the word "Negro", I disagree. Negro was a term commonly used, at the time, to refer to people of African origin. I don't associate any negativity with the wor…

The point of the syllogism is that it yields a supposedly faulty conclusion ("Therefore, negroes are equal in political rights to whites"). This is confusing to us because, unlike Peirce, we consider the conclusion to be obviously true.

I don't consider Peirce's racism relevant and I find it irriating that it always comes up.

Re: The American Aristotle

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it. How did you come to the conclusion that he's a white supremacist? This is the syllogism: All Men are equal in their political rights. Negroes are Men. Therefore, negroes are equal in political rights to whites. If you're talking about his use of the word "Negro", I disagree. Negro was a term commonly used, at the time, to refer to people of African origin. I don't associate any negativity with the wor…

The point of the syllogism is that it yields a supposedly faulty conclusion ("Therefore, negroes are equal in political rights to whites"). This is confusing to us because, unlike Peirce, we consider the conclusion to be obviously true. I don't consider Peirce's racism relevant and I find it irriating that it always comes up.

Until Reconstruction and the passage of the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments to the US constitution, the statement "negroes are equal in political rights to whites" was observably false. That's a big part of why the American Civil War was fought!

Re: The American Aristotle

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post #7

To be able to write like that about that topic is supremely impressive. Fallibilism seems to be most of Nassim Talebs bit. There are careers to be made on Pierce's observations. The idea of getting upstream of objects and asking of what are they the effect seemed to be the main cognitive tool the author recognized Pierce as using and recommending. I have read nothing by him, seems like my kind of person, what body of…

A good place to start is How to Make Our Ideas Clear[1]. [1] https://courses.media.mit.edu/2004spring/mas966/Peirce%20187...

Might be better to first read the previous year's Fixation of Belief, to which Peirce refers repeatedly in How To Make Our Ideas Clear. In it he defines and illustrates the method of authority, the method of tenacity, the a priori method etc.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Fixation_of_Belief

It begins amusingly

> Few persons care to study logic, because everybody conceives himself to be proficient enough in the art of reasoning already. But I observe that this satisfaction is limited to one's own ratiocination, and does not extend to that of other men.

They were originally part 1 and 2 of the 6-part Illustrations of the Logic of Science.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Charles_Sanders_Peirce

Re: The American Aristotle

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I don't claim any higher knowledge of Pierce than what came up in passing as a humanities grad, but having some knowledge of the others mentioned, some points:

> When people discuss the connections between language and cognition such as the possible existence of language in nonhuman species, communication in nature, language acquisition, thinking and human language more generally, cognitive scientists and evolutionary anthropologists usually appeal to concepts such as symbol and sign. A couple of decades after Peirce’s semiotics, Saussure invented his own theory of signs that he also called semiotics though unfortunately with little understanding of Peirce’s work. (Both Peirce and Saussure borrowed the name and interest in semiotics from the 17th-century philosopher John Locke; the term derives from the Greek word σημεῖον, or semeion, for ‘sign’, *‘miracle’*, etc.)

I don't think it a coincidence that the rise of linguistics coincides with a decline in cognition that we can all observe today as reaching a sort of critical mass, in which the mention of a thing is gauged to be a judgment of a thing, particularly in social media contexts. The 20th century (and later) insistence upon "scientifying" everything under the sun is downright insidious.

I often think we'd be better off if there were never such an idea in the heads of any of the people who study it.

> A further foundational contribution from Peirce was his doctrine of synechism, the idea that everything in the Universe is connected, that nothing can be understood in isolation, not even people. This is expressed well in statements such as the following from his paper ‘Immortality in the Light of Synechism’ (1893): "Nor must any synechist say: ‘I am altogether myself, and not at all you.’ If you embrace synechism, you must abjure this metaphysics of wickedness. In the first place, your neighbours are, in a measure, yourself, and in far greater measure than, without deep studies in psychology, you would believe. Really, the selfhood you like to attribute to yourself is, for the most part, the vulgarest delusion of vanity."

This is poorly understood by the author of the linked article, it seems, and a perfect example of my previous point. The author of the linked article presumes that by offering a term to describe a thing, Pierce was making a judgment (positive) about it. That is not the case. Synechism was offered by Pierce as a logical framework of sorts, to limit inquiry to certain possible outcomes. Pierce said that he only thought Time, Space, and Scientific Laws were constants in the universe, and that other less pervasive states were able to exist in isolation from each other.

Describing a thing does not denote a judgment of it. Write it on the chalkboard 1,000 times, 21st century....

Re: The American Aristotle

#15
post #7

To be able to write like that about that topic is supremely impressive. Fallibilism seems to be most of Nassim Talebs bit. There are careers to be made on Pierce's observations. The idea of getting upstream of objects and asking of what are they the effect seemed to be the main cognitive tool the author recognized Pierce as using and recommending. I have read nothing by him, seems like my kind of person, what body of…

A good place to start is How to Make Our Ideas Clear[1]. [1] https://courses.media.mit.edu/2004spring/mas966/Peirce%20187...

His introduction hooked me...

> A young man would hardly be persuaded to sacrifice the greater part of his thoughts to save the rest; and the muddled head is the least apt to see the necessity of such a sacrifice. Him we can usually only commiserate, as a person with a congenital defect. Time will help him, but intellectual maturity with regard to clearness is apt to come rather late. This seems an unfortunate arrangement of Nature, inasmuch as clearness is of less use to a man settled in life, whose errors have in great measure had their effect, than it would be to one whose path lay before him.

...but 18 pages later, I'm still unclear on how to make my ideas clear.

Re: The American Aristotle

#16

Also a white supremacist. Not a good looks there Charlie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Sanders_Peirce#Slavery... The syllogism is too much.

I don't get it. How did you come to the conclusion that he's a white supremacist? This is the syllogism: All Men are equal in their political rights. Negroes are Men. Therefore, negroes are equal in political rights to whites. If you're talking about his use of the word "Negro", I disagree. Negro was a term commonly used, at the time, to refer to people of African origin. I don't associate any negativity with the wor…

I remember reading Fredrik Douglass taking insult on reading word negro. So while common, not universally considered non-insulting.

Re: The American Aristotle

#17
My grandfather (a linguist) introduced me to Pierce at a young age, only now am I starting to read Pierce's work and beginning to understand why he was so excited to share it with me. He was especially fascinated by the recurring theme of triples on which Pierce's philosophy was based; I'm glad to see them explored in this article. Mind, heart, and hand.

Re: The American Aristotle

#18

Very good article summarising some achievements of Charles S. Peirce. This is impressive: > The importance and range of Peirce’s contributions to science, mathematics and philosophy can be appreciated partially by recognising that many of the most important advances in philosophy and science over the past 150 years originated with Peirce: the development of mathematical logic (before and arguably better eventually th…

>> (...) the development of mathematical logic (before and arguably better eventually than Gottlob Frege) (...)

Frege and Peirce worked out similar aspects of mathematical logic in around the same years. Peirce's work was better known for a while through the work of Ernst Schröder, but then Frege's work became equally known through the work of Bertrand Russel. It's difficult to say which of the two influenced their contemporaries the most, but it's clear that no one person (and not Frege and Peirce together) fully deserves the credit for "the development of mathematical logic". "Arguably" one could claim such "firsts" all the way back to Leibnitz, but what is the point of that? In my opinion, in the paragraph you quote, the linked article indulges itself with some hero worship which ultimately demeans the value of its subject. It makes Peirce sound like some kind of famous guru. In my experience, this kind of thing is common in American writings and almost entirely absent from European work, an interesting divide that it may be worth exploring in depth.

The following article is an attempt at a timeline of the development of first-order logic by different authors:

The Emergence of First-Order Logic

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-firstorder-emergenc...

Re: The American Aristotle

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To be able to write like that about that topic is supremely impressive. Fallibilism seems to be most of Nassim Talebs bit. There are careers to be made on Pierce's observations. The idea of getting upstream of objects and asking of what are they the effect seemed to be the main cognitive tool the author recognized Pierce as using and recommending. I have read nothing by him, seems like my kind of person, what body of…

Reasoning and the Logic of Things: The Cambridge Conferences Lectures of 1898 (Harvard Historical Studies) is the most accessible and thorough introduction in his own words.

https://www.amazon.com/Reasoning-Logic-Things-Conferences-Hi...

Re: The American Aristotle

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it. How did you come to the conclusion that he's a white supremacist? This is the syllogism: All Men are equal in their political rights. Negroes are Men. Therefore, negroes are equal in political rights to whites. If you're talking about his use of the word "Negro", I disagree. Negro was a term commonly used, at the time, to refer to people of African origin. I don't associate any negativity with the wor…

The point of the syllogism is that it yields a supposedly faulty conclusion ("Therefore, negroes are equal in political rights to whites"). This is confusing to us because, unlike Peirce, we consider the conclusion to be obviously true. I don't consider Peirce's racism relevant and I find it irriating that it always comes up.

>I don't consider Peirce's racism relevant

Relevant to what? The subject, so far as I can tell, is Pierce's intellectual legacy. Is discussion of his views on race allowed or not allowed?

I honestly don't know. But what I do know is that whenever people try to calvinball into existence a special rule that we're not allowed, in a comment section of all places, those rules tend to grate me the wrong way.

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