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Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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post #41

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How does that make this ok?

Because it's normal in marketing. Most web servers log your whole IP yet people don't freak out about that.

>it’s normal in marketing

There’s a reason NOT to do something if I’ve ever heard one.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

#52

Does a serious alternative to Firefox exist? I mean an alternative that is what Firefox purports to be? I'm ready to make the switch. Been with Mozilla since Pheonix, but the user hostility has become too much.

Have you heard of Chrome. It's made by Google, the company behind the most popular search engine. It's fast and has lots of features. It's got pretty popular over the last several years. I recommend checking it out.

> It's made by Google, the company behind the most popular search engine.

Google's abuse of their search dominance to push their way into browsers is a compelling reason to boycott it.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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This is panic over nothing. There is no personally identifiable information being sent with your location, and the location is made to be imprecise.

It's kind of hyprocritical in the context of Mozilla's blog a couple of days ago where they said that the new opt-in idle detection API created by Google is enabling mass surveilance, meanwhile they're using dark patterns to get you to send your location to ad companies.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Does a serious alternative to Firefox exist? I mean an alternative that is what Firefox purports to be? I'm ready to make the switch. Been with Mozilla since Pheonix, but the user hostility has become too much.

I wish. Gecko is open source, so there's no technical reason another non-Chromium browser couldn't be created (which I think is important for the web ecosystem, avoiding browser monoculture, etc.). I suspect that no one has really done it because it would be a terrible uphill battle and there's no direct revenue to be had. Browser money comes from ad/search partnerships, which require a strong existing userbase, or j…

There are several active Firefox forks like LibreWolf and Waterfox

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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> and do not save what you type I think you are dreaming if you believe that.

Send a request to Google for all of your data. It won't be in there.

How do you know they don't feed it into an ML system before they delete it?

That lets them "not save it" while reaping the benefits of saving it.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that make this ok?

Because it's normal in marketing. Most web servers log your whole IP yet people don't freak out about that.

> Because it's normal in marketing

Just because some perverted minds consider something "normal" doesn't make it "normal" to me.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

#57

Does a serious alternative to Firefox exist? I mean an alternative that is what Firefox purports to be? I'm ready to make the switch. Been with Mozilla since Pheonix, but the user hostility has become too much.

I mentioned this on another post:

The Tor Browser without Tor. It’s Firefox with all the “extras” stripped away.

The instructions on how to do so are easy to find on the web. It also supports all the same add-ons/plugins.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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> and do not save what you type I think you are dreaming if you believe that.

Send a request to Google for all of your data. It won't be in there.

I can't trust them to say that's all there is.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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> Unfortunately, all major browsers now use a combined address and search bar. So, if you’re typing in the address of a sensitive website to go directly there, your keystrokes as you type will be sent to your default search engine and your search engine may be able to determine the website address you’re typing in manually. That's why it's a good idea to split the search box in the Firefox settings. Ctrl-l takes you…

Most if not all of the bundled search engines send the data over HTTPS and do not save what you type or assign it to your account. There is nothing to worry about.

HTTPS says nothing about how trustworthy the end recipient is, just that only they will receive your data.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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post #12

Does a serious alternative to Firefox exist? I mean an alternative that is what Firefox purports to be? I'm ready to make the switch. Been with Mozilla since Pheonix, but the user hostility has become too much.

Well... A few years ago I did the same journey, abandoning Firefox for something else. There's several stable and serious browsers out there. After looking for weeks I created a list of categories... And it depends on what are you willing to sacrifice: Just want a plain browser, without logins, synchronization, without ANY external connections etc: Ungoogled-chromium (Windows, Linux...) and Bromite (Android). Don't c…

Don't care about full web compatibility or speed but keep your privacy under control

Dillo, NetSurf.

They are fine if you mostly use sites like HN and other mostly-static content, maybe with some forms interaction. Those are HTML4-ish "document web" browsers. There's also all the text-based ones that those who want to send an even stronger message about how much they hate the "modern web" can use.

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