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Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by saagarjha »

tpowell wrote: post #102
StevePerkins wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pros: * Supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions, vs. Brave supporting Chrome only. * Not so much with the skeezy crypto emphasis. Cons: * Brave has a multi-year head start, and has worked all the kinks out. Sync works, etc. * This is Apple-only. Brave works on every major device. I won’t be leaving Brave anytime soon. But competition is a good thing, and this beta is worth keeping an eye on.

I've (M1/16GB MBA) got my usual 40+ tabs open and Brave is only using 536MB of memory. It's rock solid. I use G-Suite/Workplace and everything has been buttery smooth since I turned off Brave's crypto/BAT notifications. I agree that keychain is the only reason I still use Safari for some things (and perfect sync with iPhone), but I lean more on 1Password these days.

Are you sure you're not just looking at the main process?

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by linux2647 »

saagarjha wrote: post #121
jasonlotito wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Raymond Hill not working on uBlock anymore? Why is there uBlock and uBlock Origin?

He stopped working on it and gave it away to someone else, who promptly used it to raise "donations". This led him to decide to fork back the project under the name "uBlock Origin".

Here's a short summary of what went down with links for more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/ublock/comments/32mos6/ublock_vs_ub...

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by saagarjha »

pier25 wrote: post #123
freediver wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not any more to my knowledge. But if Orion becomes a success there might be one! (founder here) Current situation is - WebKit works great on Linux so that is not a problem. We've built WebKit on Windows too and while it works, it's not great. We are talking few developer-years of effort there (performance is main issue).

Why does WebKit perform poorly on Windows?

AFAIK the only major contributor to it is Sony.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by saagarjha »

webmobdev wrote: post #70

I'd use this if you can remove all the Apple crap features: - All the crap of AI / machine learning to prevent cross-site tracking that's useless to me in "Private Browsing" mode - just give me back control over cookies (manually and through third-party extensions), and keep Apple away from my data. - Remove the crap "Web Advertising: Allow privacy-preserving measurement of ad effectiveness" code from webkit. Keep ad…

WebKit's ITP is works entirely on-device. And Orion supports uBlock (via the WebExtensions API) if you happen to trust that more than content blocking.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by celsoazevedo »

StevePerkins wrote: post #41
hunterb123 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I count Brave's emphasis on crypto as a pro and necessary for our hopefully one day ad-less future. If you block ads without allowing the ability to donate a token you are effectively stealing from site owners and causing the rise of paywalls and other restrictions on the internet.

Putting aside legitimate qualms about Brave’s ad blocking business model, “skeezy” refers to Brave themselves showing me by default multiple home screen ads for various crypto wallet and NFT brokers. Opinions vary wildly on HN, but for me that entire scene is kissing cousins with MLM.

> Putting aside legitimate qualms about Brave’s ad blocking business model

The other alternatives to Chrome (Edge, Opera, Vivaldi, and Firefox[0]) also come with a built in ad blocker.

Is it only a problem because on top of the blocking - which others also do - they also have the ads/crypto business?

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[0] On Firefox it's more of a "tracking blocker", but things like Adsense are blocked by it.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by kitsunesoba »

smoldesu wrote: post #24

I wonder what exactly has changed since the last time this was on Hacker News. There's a plethora of Webkit-derivatives to choose from, I don't see why I should choose the one that won't let me also install it on my other devices.

It wouldn't have changed from last time, but for some native browser chrome and platform integrations are highly appealing, particularly now that most browsers have gone all-in on brand-driven UI and try to pull you into your ecosystems.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by firebird84 »

specialist wrote: post #87
gls2ro wrote: post #44

If possible (a.k.a if Apple allows this) please integrate Keychain with this browser. I am not sure if there are many people like me, but I am using Keychain and it is the reason why I default to Safari and using any other browser it takes effort that I am doing, but I really wish Keychain could be integrated in other browsers too. LE: It seems they already support this as stated in their FAQ/"How does Orion store my…

Ditto Firefox. I'd use it a lot more. Right now, only for YouTube. Also, I hope Orion has hooks needed for uBlock. (Preparse hook?) For whatever reason, Safari + 1Blocker doesn't filter YouTube's ads. I'll use fulltime which ever browser that has both keychain and blocks youtube ads.

Firefox works with keychain in mac, there's specific settings you have to use. They seem to be considered enterprise features so they'r ehidden in the about:config settings.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by DavidSJ »

gls2ro wrote: post #44

If possible (a.k.a if Apple allows this) please integrate Keychain with this browser. I am not sure if there are many people like me, but I am using Keychain and it is the reason why I default to Safari and using any other browser it takes effort that I am doing, but I really wish Keychain could be integrated in other browsers too. LE: It seems they already support this as stated in their FAQ/"How does Orion store my…

I moved from Safari to Firefox because if you're not using iCloud Keychain, the passwords Safari saves are not backed up properly with Time Machine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24626562

So I hope that, unlike Safari, Orion uses the Login rather than the Local Items keychain.

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