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Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by breakfastduck »

wil421 wrote: post #32
rising-sky wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you're not the target consumer, so none. The main selling points are privacy ("like no other") and cross-platform extensions, which don't matter to you

How does Safari not have privacy features? Or Firefox? Apple has very publicly been trying to block tracking on its platforms and has the resources that are comparable to nation states. The also publicly fought the FBI and, if the blogs are true, severely hindered FaceBooks tracking. Kagi is bootstrapped by a somewhat unknown founder presumably in Serbia or from Serbia. Serbia has not always been a friend of the West…

He lives in the US and isn't exactly 'unknown' considering his company was aquired by godaddy and he worked as their VP of product during acquisition.

I do not understand what being serbian has to do with anything.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by icodestuff »

feep wrote: post #2

Sign me up. The performance charts & graphs look nice. And (from Safari) I am excited to see what WebKit can do with extensions and other power features. And, iPhone version. Also: 1. The search engine ( https://kagi.com/ ) is super cute (don’t have a login to try it). 2. Apparently this is what happened to the kagi.com (shareware payment) domain. Nice.

I was wondering if it was the same Kagi. Guess not.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by breakfastduck »

webmobdev wrote: post #70

I'd use this if you can remove all the Apple crap features: - All the crap of AI / machine learning to prevent cross-site tracking that's useless to me in "Private Browsing" mode - just give me back control over cookies (manually and through third-party extensions), and keep Apple away from my data. - Remove the crap "Web Advertising: Allow privacy-preserving measurement of ad effectiveness" code from webkit. Keep ad…

For someone so enthusiastic in their dislike you sure as hell haven't looked very hard at how to turn those off :)

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by webmobdev »

ezfe wrote: post #106
webmobdev wrote: post #70

I'd use this if you can remove all the Apple crap features: - All the crap of AI / machine learning to prevent cross-site tracking that's useless to me in "Private Browsing" mode - just give me back control over cookies (manually and through third-party extensions), and keep Apple away from my data. - Remove the crap "Web Advertising: Allow privacy-preserving measurement of ad effectiveness" code from webkit. Keep ad…

Do you understand what "Web Advertising" checkbox does ? Like, I'm curious if you've actually read how it works. And I assume you're aware that "all the crap of AI / ML" is disable-able with a checkbox right?

> And I assume you're aware that "all the crap of AI / ML" is disable-able with a checkbox right?

Yeah, just like how "opting out" of Telemetry in Firefox & Windows truly means Firefox ( https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/mozilla-does-not-... ) & Windows ( https://old.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/o9zswt/disabling... ) honour them. Or like iPhones never send location data to Apple when you turn it off ( https://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_11_pro_devices_collect_locat... ). /s

If I am searching for a privacy first alternative to Apple Safari, it should be obvious that it is because I don't trust Apple.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by webmobdev »

breakfastduck wrote: post #113
webmobdev wrote: post #70

I'd use this if you can remove all the Apple crap features: - All the crap of AI / machine learning to prevent cross-site tracking that's useless to me in "Private Browsing" mode - just give me back control over cookies (manually and through third-party extensions), and keep Apple away from my data. - Remove the crap "Web Advertising: Allow privacy-preserving measurement of ad effectiveness" code from webkit. Keep ad…

For someone so enthusiastic in their dislike you sure as hell haven't looked very hard at how to turn those off :)

Actually I don't even bother using Safari at all because of crap like this. Should have been obvious that if i am looking for a privacy first alternative to Apple Safari, it is because I don't trust Apple.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by freediver »

wil421 wrote: post #5

What benefits does this give me over Safari or Firefox? Not really an Adblock or extension user. The websites I frequent don’t have invasive ads and the one’s that do get put into reader view, even if it means losing part of the content or weird picture placement. If you have invasive ads I’m not coming back.

Hi there (founder here)

Both Safari and Firefox are rock solid browsers with excellent heritage. Just being put in the same basket as them for consideration is very flattering for us to begin with.

If you care about browser speed, then Orion is faster than Safari in almost all benchmarks (and Safari was already fastest browser on Mac to begin with).

We have a section about this in our FAQ if you are interested: https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#safari

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by freediver »

pier25 wrote: post #91

Is there any crossplatform WebKit browser?

Not any more to my knowledge. But if Orion becomes a success there might be one! (founder here)

Current situation is - WebKit works great on Linux so that is not a problem. We've built WebKit on Windows too and while it works, it's not great. We are talking few developer-years of effort there (performance is main issue).

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by freediver »

webmobdev wrote: post #70

I'd use this if you can remove all the Apple crap features: - All the crap of AI / machine learning to prevent cross-site tracking that's useless to me in "Private Browsing" mode - just give me back control over cookies (manually and through third-party extensions), and keep Apple away from my data. - Remove the crap "Web Advertising: Allow privacy-preserving measurement of ad effectiveness" code from webkit. Keep ad…

> changes Apple made to Webkit that actually slightly cripples adblockers, like uBlock, from working effectively on it

We already did that, uBlock Origin works on top of WebKit in Orion.

Also, Orion is zero-telemetry by default to address your other concern. Fire up a network proxy when using Orion and you will be welcomed with a wall of silence.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by lemming »

freediver wrote: post #64

Hey everyone, I am the founder behind Orion, bootstrapping the project. Started working on it three years ago with a small team just to see if it would be possible to build something like this from scratch and we just kept going. Orion is today a daily browser for a few dozen beta-testers and it warms my heart to see that we got that far considering the competition. Few questions about Orion answered that I see pop p…

This looks like a very interesting project! Do you have plans to support anything like Firefox Containers? They're a really fantastic feature for the privacy-conscious.
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