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Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by shkkmo » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:11 PM UTC

hunterb123 wrote: post #22

dtjb wrote: post #20

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wait, patriots.win isn't extremist but r/funny is?

extremist != extreme extreme is used to denote it's a far swing in the spectrum, extremist alludes to terrorism.

While "extremist" might have connatations of violence/terrorism, those connotations are not inherent in the meaning of the word. I would argue that it behooves us to push back against such a connotation because it really only serves to delegitimize people who don't have mainstream beliefs by implying that they intend violence without having to justify an actually disprovable statement.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by hunterb123 » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:14 PM UTC

shkkmo wrote: post #81

hunterb123 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

extremist != extreme extreme is used to denote it's a far swing in the spectrum, extremist alludes to terrorism.

While "extremist" might have connatations of violence/terrorism, those connotations are not inherent in the meaning of the word. I would argue that it behooves us to push back against such a connotation because it really only serves to delegitimize people who don't have mainstream beliefs by implying that they intend violence without having to justify an actually disprovable statement.

Sure. I don't like the word, most of my argument is infact arguing against the use of the word "extremist". I only used it once in response and I used "extreme" elsewhere which is fine to use when denoting where they are in the spectrum of the political ideology.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by pgeorgi » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:15 PM UTC

hunterb123 wrote: post #79

pgeorgi wrote: post #73

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The "one instance" thing only applies to that "patriots" site because you asserted "No one on [Patriots . win] is an extremist". It also doesn't show that the site is an "extremist site", only that your claim is wrong. Your statement about reddit is a logical fallacy.

No, the supposed qualification to be an "extremist" was asserted by another that it was "wishing death". I wish to apply that same standard to Reddit and see if it passes the same qualification to be "extremist" (it will). tldr: I still haven't been shown a post on Patriots that is more extreme than anything I've seen on Reddit.

You're moving goal posts: The original statement of yours has been "no one on patriots is an extremist", classifying site users. Now you're at "you'll concede that Reddit is an extremist site right?", classifying the site itself.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by pgeorgi » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:16 PM UTC

hunterb123 wrote: post #77

pgeorgi wrote: post #67

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I don't know them, so if you assert that they're an edgelord and not an extremist, I can only imagine that you do know them. Lacking any other information, and given a relative unimportance of that person to me, I'll take your word on that. Given the time you devote on the defense of that community, it's certainly more important to you than it is to me.

If you don't know them how did you assert they were an extremist in your original comment? An extremist is likened to a terrorist, you need to have evidence other than some edgelord comment, otherwise they are just an edgelord. Until proven otherwise you should assume they are the same as Reddit edgelords (actually most of them ARE or WERE Reddit edgelords!) I'm not defending one community in particular, I'm defendin…

If it quacks like a duck...

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by noobermin » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:16 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #53

0des wrote: post #15

Folks, please use your words. Some of us are just trying to make it through Friday without having to login and use show-dead to see both sides of a discussion.

I've sometimes thought that downvotes shouldn't count for much when given by someone who doesn't reply. Count them, just not with nearly as much weight as someone who is willing to explain their disagreement. We already have flagging for marking something is inappropriate.

Visually though, it's not comparable. A reply (often long) is visible but requires reading to garner the sentiment. A grayed out comment is immediately recognizable as being "bad" and "disliked," hence why it's more powerful, and why people do it. It also requires much less effort than typing out why you disagree.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by hunterb123 » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:20 PM UTC

pgeorgi wrote: post #84

hunterb123 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't know them how did you assert they were an extremist in your original comment? An extremist is likened to a terrorist, you need to have evidence other than some edgelord comment, otherwise they are just an edgelord. Until proven otherwise you should assume they are the same as Reddit edgelords (actually most of them ARE or WERE Reddit edgelords!) I'm not defending one community in particular, I'm defendin…

If it quacks like a duck...

Then it's an armchair wannabe federal agent?

Yes pgeorgi does look and quack like that.

Judge thee but not me!

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by hairofadog » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:22 PM UTC

postsantum wrote: post #49

hairofadog wrote: post #40

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Do you have a link to where they said that?

https://disrn.com/news/reddit-mods-say-due-to-sites-updated-...

First, that's from more than a year ago. Second, I looked into it because it sounded literally unbelievable, and indeed it appears to be some sort of trolling and/or conservative fever dream. That exact phrasing shows up in various other places, for example [^0], [^1], and there are threads here and there explaining the frequent trolling of u/automoderator [^2], [^3].

[^0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/hndjv0/we_can_no...

[^1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20210123191934/https://www.reddi...

[^2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/hmlqrt/commen...

[^3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/hn5h3s/rjus...

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by hunterb123 » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:23 PM UTC

pgeorgi wrote: post #83

hunterb123 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the supposed qualification to be an "extremist" was asserted by another that it was "wishing death". I wish to apply that same standard to Reddit and see if it passes the same qualification to be "extremist" (it will). tldr: I still haven't been shown a post on Patriots that is more extreme than anything I've seen on Reddit.

You're moving goal posts: The original statement of yours has been "no one on patriots is an extremist", classifying site users. Now you're at "you'll concede that Reddit is an extremist site right?", classifying the site itself.

No, I have an issue with how you quantify "extremist" that's been the whole point of the entire thread.

You say it's anyone who "wishes death", well that is too loose because that pertains to every community on every site, including Reddit.

Please try again with your definition of "extremist" and I will retest the communities.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by pgeorgi » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

hunterb123 wrote: post #86

pgeorgi wrote: post #84

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If it quacks like a duck...

Then it's an armchair wannabe federal agent? Yes pgeorgi does look and quack like that. Judge thee but not me!

Depends on the federation: Federal Republic of Germany? I'm paying taxes so I guess one could consider me an agent.

But more than that: I also worked and work for organisations aligned with them in various capacities (currently I'm TA'ing at a state-run university, so while that's multiple hops away I guess it's a start? My fellow citizens often mix up what part is federal and what's state anyway, so it might as well not matter in the context of this conversation.)

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Post by BitwiseFool » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 6:25 PM UTC

dtjb wrote: post #48

hunterb123 wrote: post #43

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ah yes, making fun of people dying is okay as long as you obscure the names! the same people that like to respond with "700,000+ dead"! this is the same reason /r/fatpeoplehate got banned is it not? yes the intent may be to "help through shaming" but it's not usually allowed, guess it's okay because of the political lean. ironically, shaming the fat people would help the covid thing most of all as it's the #1 morbidi…

I wasn't active in the community, but I believe r/fatpeoplehate was mostly unsolicited photographs ("creepshots") of overweight people and making fun of them. It appears r/hermancainaward is 100% based on posts that the deceased willingly shared with the public. I think that's a meaningful difference.

I think that r/HermanCainAward is actually quite sinister and designed to normalize and reinforce dehumanization of "the other side". The whole point of the subreddit is to showcase people who've had strong political convictions, then died as a result of them.

You're supposed to feel a sense of comeuppance that these people who don't believe in the vaccine or dismiss the severity Covid died as a result of their beliefs. There is no shortage of mockery involved, either. It is disguised as simple schadenfreude, but I sense the subscribers are actually reveling in the deaths of others.