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Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by phrz »

wodenokoto wrote: post #78
perardi wrote: post #46

A bit of a tangent, but not that much: I loathe the new Safari “tabs”, with as much scare as you can get in those scare quotes. But, I still can’t leave Safari be, as I appreciate the history and Keychain sync with my iOS devices. It’s that tight macOS/iOS integration that makes me stay on Safari, along with the relatively lighter energy usage versus Chrome. This looks nice in terms of using native UIKit elements (pr…

What do you use for Adblock? I prefer FF due to ublock and better floating videos / Picture in Picture

I use 1Blocker, a very mature ad blocking tool that just added JS-based blocking rules, and StopTheMadness is a popular tool for tweaking websites e.g. forcing videos up front, stopping auto play, and showing their controls. This allows macOS native PiP on most websites that don't usually support it.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by wlesieutre »

krrrh wrote: post #77
zoul wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new Safari tabs are so bad that I’m sure they can’t stay that way for long. I was hoping I would get used to the broken active tab highlighting, but after a few days I’m still clicking the wrong tabs in the tab bar. I can’t believe it.

The compact layout may not be for everyone, but it plus turning on show full url in address bar, makes it obvious which tab is active.

With the tradeoff of not showing you the title of the active tab, if I'm remembering correctly?

I tried it for a bit before that annoyed me into switching to the taller layout, which is a visual downgrade from the previous design but at least has the same information visible.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by Tagbert »

akrymski wrote: post #69
perardi wrote: post #46

A bit of a tangent, but not that much: I loathe the new Safari “tabs”, with as much scare as you can get in those scare quotes. But, I still can’t leave Safari be, as I appreciate the history and Keychain sync with my iOS devices. It’s that tight macOS/iOS integration that makes me stay on Safari, along with the relatively lighter energy usage versus Chrome. This looks nice in terms of using native UIKit elements (pr…

I hated them at first, forced myself to live with them and now I love them. So much more vertical space on the screen.

I think it depends on how may tabs you have at once. If you only have a handful of tabs, then compact mode works and gives you a small amount of extra vertical room. If you have more tabs though, they quickly get squeezed too much to be useful. Then it is horizontal space that becomes a premium. I prefer having the tabs and the address bar on separate lines to give the tabs their space and to give the address bar and the other icons in that are enough room to be useful. The idea that the content should be dominant is fine but I’m also using the browser features to interact with that content and don’t want to sacrifice the browser functionality.

The styling of the tabs as buttons and the reversed highlighting of the current tab are just broken UI for no apparent benefit other than someone thought it looked cool. (It doesn’t really).

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by zamadatix »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #57
franga2000 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Network-level blockers are very crude and tend to cause errors that are hard to debug and fix. I get it if you have no other option and they work well enough with a very conservative blocklist, but in my experience a dedicated extension will block more ads, block them better (no blank spots in pages), break legitimate content less often and when it does be far easier to temporarily bypass.

I've tracked down the "legitimate content" a few times and these are usually trackers, just baked in so deeply they break the content too.

Sure but the point is a browser level adblockers can separate the tracker content from the legitimate content while a network level blocker can either block both or neither.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by musha68k »

perardi wrote: post #46

A bit of a tangent, but not that much: I loathe the new Safari “tabs”, with as much scare as you can get in those scare quotes. But, I still can’t leave Safari be, as I appreciate the history and Keychain sync with my iOS devices. It’s that tight macOS/iOS integration that makes me stay on Safari, along with the relatively lighter energy usage versus Chrome. This looks nice in terms of using native UIKit elements (pr…

Long term Safari fan here. The new tabs have terrible UX but what's worse is stability. Whoever is "at fault" there - don't try to use jira with the latest Safari as it will crash eventually.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by sleepybrett »

perardi wrote: post #46

A bit of a tangent, but not that much: I loathe the new Safari “tabs”, with as much scare as you can get in those scare quotes. But, I still can’t leave Safari be, as I appreciate the history and Keychain sync with my iOS devices. It’s that tight macOS/iOS integration that makes me stay on Safari, along with the relatively lighter energy usage versus Chrome. This looks nice in terms of using native UIKit elements (pr…

I haven't looked, but is there something stopping other browsers (say firefox) from integrating with keychain on the mac side other than maintainability/pride/whatever?

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by specialist »

gls2ro wrote: post #44

If possible (a.k.a if Apple allows this) please integrate Keychain with this browser. I am not sure if there are many people like me, but I am using Keychain and it is the reason why I default to Safari and using any other browser it takes effort that I am doing, but I really wish Keychain could be integrated in other browsers too. LE: It seems they already support this as stated in their FAQ/"How does Orion store my…

Ditto Firefox. I'd use it a lot more. Right now, only for YouTube.

Also, I hope Orion has hooks needed for uBlock. (Preparse hook?)

For whatever reason, Safari + 1Blocker doesn't filter YouTube's ads.

I'll use fulltime which ever browser that has both keychain and blocks youtube ads.

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Post by tecleandor »

eddieh wrote: post #52
pavlov wrote: post #20

Anybody else remember the original Kagi.com? It was an early payment processor for independent software developers. I sold my first shareware license on Kagi. Probably less than ten people in total bought my screensaver, but it inspired me to switch careers to software. RIP OG Kagi!

Yes! I remember a bunch of shareware developers I respected used it. I chose to use eSellerate, because the fees were lower.

Oh my, I probably have both Kagi and eSellerate emails in my old archive.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by selectodude »

musha68k wrote: post #85
perardi wrote: post #46

A bit of a tangent, but not that much: I loathe the new Safari “tabs”, with as much scare as you can get in those scare quotes. But, I still can’t leave Safari be, as I appreciate the history and Keychain sync with my iOS devices. It’s that tight macOS/iOS integration that makes me stay on Safari, along with the relatively lighter energy usage versus Chrome. This looks nice in terms of using native UIKit elements (pr…

Long term Safari fan here. The new tabs have terrible UX but what's worse is stability. Whoever is "at fault" there - don't try to use jira with the latest Safari as it will crash eventually.

It’s successfully pushed me to Firefox. I love safari and how gentle it is on the battery but I’d rather have 6 hours of functional browsing than 10 hours of dealing with Safari’s nonsense.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by rgovostes »

pavlov wrote: post #20

Anybody else remember the original Kagi.com? It was an early payment processor for independent software developers. I sold my first shareware license on Kagi. Probably less than ten people in total bought my screensaver, but it inspired me to switch careers to software. RIP OG Kagi!

I was wondering if it was related. Wonder if reusing established domains like this is beneficial for search result rankings.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/01/kagi-shuts-down/

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