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Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by StevePerkins »

hunterb123 wrote: post #37
StevePerkins wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pros: * Supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions, vs. Brave supporting Chrome only. * Not so much with the skeezy crypto emphasis. Cons: * Brave has a multi-year head start, and has worked all the kinks out. Sync works, etc. * This is Apple-only. Brave works on every major device. I won’t be leaving Brave anytime soon. But competition is a good thing, and this beta is worth keeping an eye on.

I count Brave's emphasis on crypto as a pro and necessary for our hopefully one day ad-less future. If you block ads without allowing the ability to donate a token you are effectively stealing from site owners and causing the rise of paywalls and other restrictions on the internet.

Putting aside legitimate qualms about Brave’s ad blocking business model, “skeezy” refers to Brave themselves showing me by default multiple home screen ads for various crypto wallet and NFT brokers. Opinions vary wildly on HN, but for me that entire scene is kissing cousins with MLM.

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Post by traveler01 »

tnorthcutt wrote: post #21

I don't see any mention of developer tools, but in case anyone working on this is here, that's something that would probably be interesting to the HN crowd. Since the home page has a screenshot of HN, I'm guessing devs are the target market.

In my experience most browsers based on these major engines, like Vivaldi, Edge or whatever have broken dev tools.

You'd be better using Safari for that imo.

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Post by dymk »

tablespoon wrote: post #33
tnorthcutt wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The about section says: > Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. > We are also building a privacy-respecting alternative to Google search, currently in private beta. > If you'd like to know more or ge…

> Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. I have nothing against that guy, but it'd be nice to have more than a promotional self-description. Does he have a good individual reputation (e.g like Raymond…

I’ve never heard of Raymond Hill, so I think it wouldn’t make much of a difference

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by gls2ro »

If possible (a.k.a if Apple allows this) please integrate Keychain with this browser.

I am not sure if there are many people like me, but I am using Keychain and it is the reason why I default to Safari and using any other browser it takes effort that I am doing, but I really wish Keychain could be integrated in other browsers too.

LE: It seems they already support this as stated in their FAQ/"How does Orion store my passwords?"

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by jaflo »

franga2000 wrote: post #30
janandonly wrote: post #3

Being able to use both chrome and firefox extensions and having an iOS and macOS app is wonderful :-)

Will those features transfer to iOS though? Last time I checked truly custom browsers are not allowed there and extensions could be easily interpreted as running downloaded third party code, which is also a common excuse for Apple to throw apps off the store.

The FAQ says their iOS version does support extensions

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Post by perardi »

A bit of a tangent, but not that much:

I loathe the new Safari “tabs”, with as much scare as you can get in those scare quotes. But, I still can’t leave Safari be, as I appreciate the history and Keychain sync with my iOS devices.

It’s that tight macOS/iOS integration that makes me stay on Safari, along with the relatively lighter energy usage versus Chrome. This looks nice in terms of using native UIKit elements (probably, it’s just screenshots) and probably the system WebKit, but I would really miss password syncing.

(Yes, I know, there are innumerable password sync options, but Keychain sync really does “just work” between iOS and Mac.)

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Post by Applejinx »

pavlov wrote: post #20

Anybody else remember the original Kagi.com? It was an early payment processor for independent software developers. I sold my first shareware license on Kagi. Probably less than ten people in total bought my screensaver, but it inspired me to switch careers to software. RIP OG Kagi!

Huh, I lost a few hundred bucks out of the collapse, bankruptcy and dissolution of OG Kagi. Before then, that was what Airwindows used for a payment processor, for years.

Them going bust was the impetus for me moving to Patreon and fully open source. I've been talking about Kagi in the past tense for years. Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time…

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Post by solarkraft »

tnorthcutt wrote: post #21

I don't see any mention of developer tools, but in case anyone working on this is here, that's something that would probably be interesting to the HN crowd. Since the home page has a screenshot of HN, I'm guessing devs are the target market.

It has ‘em (as seen in Safari). You can put the inspector button in your header bar through the customization menu and I think they’re pretty good.

One thing to note is that even with caching disabled in the dev tools it caches aggressively, which is why I don’t usually use it for development. But that’s why it’s a beta :-)

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Post by linux2647 »

dymk wrote: post #43
tablespoon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. I have nothing against that guy, but it'd be nice to have more than a promotional self-description. Does he have a good individual reputation (e.g like Raymond…

I’ve never heard of Raymond Hill, so I think it wouldn’t make much of a difference

Raymond Hill created the uBlock ad blocker, and now maintains uBlock Origin (https://github.com/gorhill)
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