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Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Strongly recommend ad blocking on the network level with something like a pihole, one of the best tech related things I've ever done

It's true this is nice, but it's no replacement for a browser extension, and only does anything while you're at home.

I haven't left my home in what feels like 1000 years

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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What benefits does this give me over Safari or Firefox? Not really an Adblock or extension user. The websites I frequent don’t have invasive ads and the one’s that do get put into reader view, even if it means losing part of the content or weird picture placement. If you have invasive ads I’m not coming back.

I guess you're not the target consumer, so none. The main selling points are privacy ("like no other") and cross-platform extensions, which don't matter to you

How does Safari not have privacy features? Or Firefox? Apple has very publicly been trying to block tracking on its platforms and has the resources that are comparable to nation states. The also publicly fought the FBI and, if the blogs are true, severely hindered FaceBooks tracking.

Kagi is bootstrapped by a somewhat unknown founder presumably in Serbia or from Serbia. Serbia has not always been a friend of the West/US and the government can compel people to do things that are not privacy friendly. I mean no offense by this statement and I have spent time in Serbia. My ears do perk up when I hear Serbia/Balkans or Eastern Europe related to privacy.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#33

The sales pitch for this browser is really well done. What is lacking is information about who made this, and why we should trust their claims. Seems important too me if privacy is the main selling feature.

The about section says: > Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. > We are also building a privacy-respecting alternative to Google search, currently in private beta. > If you'd like to know more or ge…

> Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team.

I have nothing against that guy, but it'd be nice to have more than a promotional self-description. Does he have a good individual reputation (e.g like Raymond Hill)?

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#34

The one thing that is lacking from Safari is extensions. If this does what I believe then it will be my main browser. Safari adblocking sucks atm.

Strongly recommend ad blocking on the network level with something like a pihole, one of the best tech related things I've ever done

Network-level blockers are very crude and tend to cause errors that are hard to debug and fix. I get it if you have no other option and they work well enough with a very conservative blocklist, but in my experience a dedicated extension will block more ads, block them better (no blank spots in pages), break legitimate content less often and when it does be far easier to temporarily bypass.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strongly recommend ad blocking on the network level with something like a pihole, one of the best tech related things I've ever done

It's true this is nice, but it's no replacement for a browser extension, and only does anything while you're at home.

Unless you’re also automating a VPN connection to your home network when you leave it, which can be very helpful if you’re running something like pihole

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#36

The sales pitch for this browser is really well done. What is lacking is information about who made this, and why we should trust their claims. Seems important too me if privacy is the main selling feature.

"Kagi - Better Web for our Children" Well... It's a pass from me. Anything claiming something is "think of the children" is at best facetious.

> "Kagi - Better Web for our Children"

> Well... It's a pass from me. Anything claiming something is "think of the children" is at best facetious.

That's taking it too far. It's really good to "think of the children," it's just that we have to be mindful of when that's used as a smokescreen to distract from a particular policy's highly objectionable consequences. That kind of expression also has multiple senses (e.g. "children are vulnerable and must be protected" and "we should build a better future for our children to enjoy"). The people behind this browser may not have English as a first language, so they may not be able to precisely tailor their language to English very online sensibilities.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#37

A comparison with Brave would be most welcome.

Pros: * Supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions, vs. Brave supporting Chrome only. * Not so much with the skeezy crypto emphasis. Cons: * Brave has a multi-year head start, and has worked all the kinks out. Sync works, etc. * This is Apple-only. Brave works on every major device. I won’t be leaving Brave anytime soon. But competition is a good thing, and this beta is worth keeping an eye on.

I count Brave's emphasis on crypto as a pro and necessary for our hopefully one day ad-less future.

If you block ads without allowing the ability to donate a token you are effectively stealing from site owners and causing the rise of paywalls and other restrictions on the internet.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true this is nice, but it's no replacement for a browser extension, and only does anything while you're at home.

Unless you’re also automating a VPN connection to your home network when you leave it, which can be very helpful if you’re running something like pihole

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Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#39

The one thing that is lacking from Safari is extensions. If this does what I believe then it will be my main browser. Safari adblocking sucks atm.

Strongly recommend ad blocking on the network level with something like a pihole, one of the best tech related things I've ever done

So many large sites have started serving ads through the hostnames that serve their applications. It feels like a losing battle to keep only blocking at the DNS level.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#40
I’ve been using it for a few months and i’d day it’s almost ready for public consumption.

It’s essentially a better Safari, but (and this is what makes it the ONLY alternative to Firefox) with tree style tabs.

Progress has been rapid and the interaction with the dev(s) has been great. I see a bright future ahead for this browser.

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