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Ask HN: Practically accepting cryptocurrency for businesses without middlemen?

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Re: Ask HN: Practically accepting cryptocurrency for businesses without middlemen?

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Amazing how their is a currency who's been rising for 10 years that you actually have to 'solve' for how to spend it.

Because it's not a currency. Gold has existed forever but you won't find point of sale systems with good support for gold coins either.

Bitcoin may be largely used as a store of value like gold, but that's not what it was designed for. It's designed to be a currency.

Re: Ask HN: Practically accepting cryptocurrency for businesses without middlemen?

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For best experience, be sure to accept Bitcoin with Lightning Network. I'm not sure about industry standard, but BTCPay Server[0] and OpenNode[1] seem to be the most popular ones. BTCPay Server is open-source and self-hosted. [0] https://btcpayserver.org [1] https://www.opennode.com

And if you do not want to spin up a server but simply use defi (wallet to wallet), then https://gilded.finance/ comes in pretty nifty.

Re: Ask HN: Practically accepting cryptocurrency for businesses without middlemen?

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Everyone using Bitcoin in El Salvador is using lightning network for the most part.

And if you believe Bukele, they have more transactions than VISA ( 65 K / second)

Hmm the population of El Salvador is a bit over 6.5 million, which would mean an average of 1 transaction per 100 seconds per person. That seems unlikely.

Re: Ask HN: Practically accepting cryptocurrency for businesses without middlemen?

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The "perfect fit for making digital payments while preventing exposure to crypto volatility" is ummm ... fiat with Visa/Mastercard? Which is exactly why no cryptocurrency has gained mainstream traction: it's solving a "problem" that doesn't exist for most people, and doing so in a way that introduces new problems.

Maybe merchants don't want to pay 5% or whatever

The customers get to make the choice, not the merchants. You can offer a 5% discount for purchases in your favorite stablecoin, but outside of a few specific niches, most customers will actually prefer CC payments instead of the discount.

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traditional payment processors wield undo influence and control over businesses: just look at the past onlyfans drama. Moving away from a duopoly that censors legal businesses it doesn't like is definitely valuable, and also something a stable coin could facilitate. Moving money around onchain is orders of magnitudes easier than using the tradfi systems. Most crypto firms (trading firms, VCs, protocols, etc) are excl…

And yet you can't buy anything with crypto, as evidenced by an entire thread full of solutions that either, a) nobody uses, b) are terribly difficult to implement as a layman, or c) are possibly vehicles for fraud. As a guy who had no fear compiling Gentoo kernels 15 years ago, saying you can actually use BTC to pay for things is about a feasible as saying that 2005 was the year of the Linux desktop.

Sample size of one but I just bought my new phone with crypto.

Re: Ask HN: Practically accepting cryptocurrency for businesses without middlemen?

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Amazing how their is a currency who's been rising for 10 years that you actually have to 'solve' for how to spend it.

Your talking about bridging currency. Something that most banks still cant do easily with any customer they have. ie. HSBC, a global bank, doesnt even support instant transfers around the world (payid), yet thats there buisness for how many years? ie. with crypto, u can setup a wallet, u can buy currency, then lend it out to a DeX for fees and apy in 3 clicks, no wait period, minimal capital expenditure. no forms to…

There is no limited time window on governments banning crypto.

Re: Ask HN: Practically accepting cryptocurrency for businesses without middlemen?

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Amazing how their is a currency who's been rising for 10 years that you actually have to 'solve' for how to spend it.

It isn't easier to accept any other currency online.

Exactly, you always got to have a middle man party. Bitcoin/Crypto is the only way that you can cut out that middleman, because you can directly view the blockchain for confirmations etc.

Re: Ask HN: Practically accepting cryptocurrency for businesses without middlemen?

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> poisoned by 'black' bitcoin. Can you expand further on this? Is there a public list of blacklisted addresses we can download/query? How far does the association extend for an address to be blacklisted by other entities?

There are not public lists, with exception of official government sanctioned addresses. Only the chain analysis companies have the (valuable) data so the future seems to be that businesses will need to pay for a subscription and share data with them, if you want to transact BTC. The algorithms are not clear either, because that information could be used by adversaries with tainted coins to try to evade detection For…

so much for decentralization...
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