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Re: The naughty username checking system used by Twitch

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Post by marcus_holmes »

RHSeeger wrote: post #259
marcus_holmes wrote: post #237

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> But on a collective level we aren't yet (if we'll ever be) as developed a civilization to have empathy on that level. I agree. Which is why we have rules around politeness and manners, which roughly conform to same actions as actual empathy. Which makes sense - people don't always have the same level of empathy, there are lots of neurodivergent people who will never understand empathy but who can learn a set of rul…

> I feel like this respect for being nice to each other so we can all get along is on the wane. In my mind, part of that is that the rules are getting stricter, so people respect those rules less. Over time, the needle has moved further towards the idea that anyone can be offended by anything anyone else says. Even if it's clear (to the average person) that the speaker meant no harm (or even intended a totally differ…

I think that's a slightly different problem - there is a purity spiral going on in academia (and Twitter) around the definition of "offensive" language.

Purity spirals never end well. The most famous one ended up with people being burnt alive as witches.

But it is a purity spiral - if you don't intend to be considered "pure" then it doesn't matter and you can effectively ignore it. Though whether your employer agrees or not is a different matter.

Re: The naughty username checking system used by Twitch

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Post by RHSeeger »

mnsc wrote: post #293
RHSeeger wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel like this respect for being nice to each other so we can all get along is on the wane. In my mind, part of that is that the rules are getting stricter, so people respect those rules less. Over time, the needle has moved further towards the idea that anyone can be offended by anything anyone else says. Even if it's clear (to the average person) that the speaker meant no harm (or even intended a totally differ…

> Over time, the needle has moved further towards the idea that anyone can be offended by anything anyone else says. What do you mean by this? Are you talking about some contrived example where one person had their parents murdered by a maniac while shouting "bicycle" over and over which causes that word to be triggering ptsd for that individual. In that case that idea is correct since that, hypothetically, can happe…

I'm talking about things like

1. A professor fired for using the N-word in a discussion about racial discrimination

2. A professor placed on leave for using a Chinese expression that sounded like the N-word

3. People that express the opinion that someone who has undergone a gender change operation is different from someone that was born that gender. Expressing an opinion that they're different in some ways; not mocking or insulting them.

4. A man saying "I'd fork that" about a software project and everything went sideways because someone else decided it was sexual and was offended by it.

On and on and on. It has gotten to the point that if someone THINKS you crossed an imaginary line, a line that keeps moving, then you can face severe personal and professional repercussions. I do not believe that this is good for us as a society. People are supposed to have differing opinions and then discuss those differences. People are supposed to be able to discuss things in general. People are supposed to be able to have a little fun.

Accidentally offending someone has turned into a horrible offense, and it's bad for our growth as a society.

Re: The naughty username checking system used by Twitch

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Post by xsmasher »

chrisdengso wrote: post #274
marcus_holmes wrote: post #167

We used to call this the "Scunthorpe problem" - how do you filter for obviously rude names while still allowing people to have their actual names? Bearing in mind that some people's names are actually rude. I worked on the application form processing for the Nectar card launch in the UK back in the early 2000's, and we had several cases. Luckily we had human data-entry clerks in the loop, so all we had to do was flag…

Haha, I call this the "Clbuttic" problem. But nowadays it can be solved with machine learning fairly easy https://moderationapi.com/blog/moderate-text-automatically-u...

The clbuttic problem involves replacement; original source is (AFAIK) here:

https://thedailywtf.com/articles/The-Clbuttic-Mistake-

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Post by spopejoy »

stragies wrote: post #206
ggrelet wrote: post #195

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Are people not familiar with the Egyptian goddess, though?

In 2021, hardly anybody remembers Isis to be the Goddess of Love who invented marriage

Isis is a common figure in everything from literature to disco lyrics. It's offensive to ban that name.

Re: The naughty username checking system used by Twitch

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Post by Lammy »

sorenjan wrote: post #55

Reminds me of the guy that streamed a talking banana on Twitch, where viewers could make it say things. People submitted variations of the n-word and got him banned, and after trying to filter out all character combinations he could think of he wrote a phonetic filter. That apparently worked much better than trying to think of every permutation of characters that sounds like bad words. https://youtu.be/bJ5ppf0po3k?t=…

But now it's anti-Chinese if you can't say 那個 :v

Re: The naughty username checking system used by Twitch

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Post by dehugger »

RHSeeger wrote: post #312
mnsc wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Over time, the needle has moved further towards the idea that anyone can be offended by anything anyone else says. What do you mean by this? Are you talking about some contrived example where one person had their parents murdered by a maniac while shouting "bicycle" over and over which causes that word to be triggering ptsd for that individual. In that case that idea is correct since that, hypothetically, can happe…

I'm talking about things like 1. A professor fired for using the N-word in a discussion about racial discrimination 2. A professor placed on leave for using a Chinese expression that sounded like the N-word 3. People that express the opinion that someone who has undergone a gender change operation is different from someone that was born that gender. Expressing an opinion that they're different in some ways; not mocki…

3. The words you use for this are trans and cis. No one is going to get upset at someone for using them. If you are trying to use "creative" language to say the same thing you shouldn't be surprised when people take offense, considering that non-offensive terms already exist.

Re: The naughty username checking system used by Twitch

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Post by RHSeeger »

dehugger wrote: post #316
RHSeeger wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm talking about things like 1. A professor fired for using the N-word in a discussion about racial discrimination 2. A professor placed on leave for using a Chinese expression that sounded like the N-word 3. People that express the opinion that someone who has undergone a gender change operation is different from someone that was born that gender. Expressing an opinion that they're different in some ways; not mocki…

3. The words you use for this are trans and cis. No one is going to get upset at someone for using them. If you are trying to use "creative" language to say the same thing you shouldn't be surprised when people take offense, considering that non-offensive terms already exist.

I used the words that seemed the most obvious way to express myself. I would have had to look up the term cis to make sure I was using it the right way, and there wasn't a good reason to. The fact that someone could possibly be offended by the use of the words I chose shows part of the problem. That's like saying you think "Italian-American" is ok, but "An American citizen with Italian ancestors" is offensive. It's a clear, well understood description of the trait being discussed that expresses no judgement. It _cannot_ be offensive under any normal circumstances.

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Post by qwerty456127 »

wasmitnetzen wrote: post #238
qwerty456127 wrote: post #207

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> the creative and determined individual called cVnt_h_ater have bypassed the code and can proudly wear his misogyny on his sleeve. Why deny him this right? Isn't it convenient to let kids and mentally unhealthy people to identity themselves this obviously? It's always easier when you know what to expect.

Because if you let them do their thing, they group together, drag more people down to their level and then get one of them elected as president. That's not in my interest.

The idea of hating all women this way is nonsensical for normal people (despite the fact limiting their rights used to be a common tradition, I believe most of the people didn't really hate them) and can only exist in some mentally traumatized people. Seeing someone exercising obvious nonsense rarely triggers you to start doing the same on systematic basis. Electing a president requires a majority vote. Even though majority's intelligence is mediocre by definition, it hardly is SO dumb and sick. Even a rude person with sexist jokes, even a women rights limiting proponent rarely is a real serious passionate misogynist, such will mostly see "cVnt_h_aters" ridiculous too.

Re: The naughty username checking system used by Twitch

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Post by Doxin »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #184
qwerty456127 wrote: post #173

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People should just be taught (I would consider this is an essential skill which should be put in basic school curriculum to psychologically prepare people for the life, many support/sales professionals learn it quickly but the rest of the people don't) words are just words and they don't have to take them seriously. No word is rude until you consider it rude. No word can actually harm you directly. It's you who is in…

We used to be taught that "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me". I'm not so sure that has ever been true. Emotional bullying was always a thing, and it did hurt. I'm glad that we're now taking that more seriously. But it's also true that my emotions are my responsibility, and my emotional reaction to words is unique to me. I cannot force everyone else to be responsible for how I feel abo…

I'm not the only kid Who grew up this way

Surrounded by people who used to say That rhyme about sticks and stones

As if broken bones

Hurt more than the names we got called

And we got called them all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltun92DfnPY

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