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Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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DeFi exchanges operate algorithmically with published smartcontracts, so they can't be deliberately manipulated like that[1] -- can you link the example of the DeFi where USDT traded at $1000? Or were you just equivocating between DeFi and centralized exchanges in response to a comment that specifically suggested DeFi? [1] Which is not to say they can't be manipulated at all, but you'd have to go after the entire mar…

OP is obviously talking about CEX since it’s not possible for a DEX to have a USD market (like the above mentioned USDT/USD). As for DEXs being manipulated, absolutely not sure why you believe that’s the case? This has nothing to do with DEXs and everything to do with margin (which is coming to DEXs). DEXs and AMMs make it much more expensive to provide liquidity in terms of capital efficiency versus CEXs, and thus m…

>OP is obviously talking about CEX

Certainly -- I agree OP (arcticbull) was replying to a comment about DeFI by explaining the dangers of a centralized exchange! That makes it a confused, unhelpful response, not one that "obviously" meant something coherent if you squint hard enough and practice sufficiently strained exegesis.

>As for DEXs being manipulated, absolutely not sure why you believe that’s the case? This has nothing to do with DEXs and everything to do with margin (which are coming to DEXs).

Margin has "come to" DEX the moment smartcontracts offer collateralized DeFi lending, which they have, so I'm not sure what you mean here.

>DEXs and AMMs make it much more expensive to provide liquidity in terms of capital efficiency versus CEXs, and thus more vulnerable to manipulation.

The reason (I'm claiming) centralized exchanges are more vulnerable is that

a) they own the platform and are the word of god on it -- whence the stories of people getting margin called at flash-crash prices that don't exist on other platforms. If they say prices are trading at some level, you just have to deal with it. That's not possible when you have to trade how the algorithm says.

b) If someone "stupidly" buys in one direction on a DEX, "for manipulation", they've vulnerable to the entire universe of arbitrageurs who can exploit the resultant price differences. Inter-[centralized] exchange arbitrage is much harder.

I brought up the point simply to emphasize that, to the extent that there's manipulation, it does not look like the manipulation you'd see on CEX, which was how OP was basing his argument.

Furthermore, even the issue of more expensive liquidity from transaction fees wouldn't be true for the far-cheaper L2 sidechains.

(Btw, you might want to use the terms in their unabbreviated forms at least once just to make it easy on people who aren't up to speed.)

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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I find it ironic that people seem intent on holding Tether to a much higher standard than banks. I know there are certain legal guarantees applied to banks along with regulations, but all evidence points to Tether being in a much safer position than banks with their tiny fractional reserves. People are dissatisfied with anything less than fully-backed when it comes to 'crypto'.

A bank having assets to only cover 100% of its liabilities would be in violation of banking regulations. Since the 2008 financial crisis, the general breakpoint you're looking for is about 110% as the minimum asset-to-liability ratio for a viable bank. There's also this not-small matter of making sure that banks aren't relying on overly optimistic valuations that won't bear out, especially in a dire market (if you're…

Maybe you can explain this message from the Federal Reserve [0] to me, because I must be misunderstanding.

> As announced on March 15, 2020, the Board reduced reserve requirement ratios to zero percent effective March 26, 2020. This action eliminated reserve requirements for all depository institutions.

I've been swayed by the MMT videos on youtube which I know are controversial, but it seems to me that when a bank makes a loan, its deposits on-the-books increase, they do not have to have deposits equal to liabilities, and in fact a loan is not a liability to the bank, it is a liability to the borrower. Am I wrong?

[0] https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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A bank having assets to only cover 100% of its liabilities would be in violation of banking regulations. Since the 2008 financial crisis, the general breakpoint you're looking for is about 110% as the minimum asset-to-liability ratio for a viable bank. There's also this not-small matter of making sure that banks aren't relying on overly optimistic valuations that won't bear out, especially in a dire market (if you're…

Citation? I don't believe this is the case, I believe a bank needs liquid assets to cover a certain amount of its expenses , not all liabilities?

For liquid assets maybe. But if total assets -- liquid and otherwise -- are insufficient to cover all liabilities, then the bank is straight up insolvent.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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> It's L1 season You say this as if it’s a valid thesis outside of CT. Solana has exploded because Alameda, Cumberland and related VCs have made it so. > Young people are locked out of any and all assets. They can't afford real estate or any meaningful amount of stock. Savings accounts have a negative yield. Casually ignores Robinhood and equity markets, where most of any under 50s should have most of their wealth. F…

Well, the problem is...they have no wealth. They may have low paying jobs or even two jobs. Or a reasonable job yet high debts or living expenses. Barely getting by, with no prospect of ever building up more meaningful wealth. It's super cool that their 5K turns into 6K in 10 years time, but that doesn't do anything. You might as well turn it into 100K. Or lose it all. Fuck it. I don't think you understand the dire s…

> It's super cool that their 5K turns into 6K in 10 years time

Ok, I get it. You’ve not actually looked at what other investments are like. 20% return over 10 years? The S&P 500 is on track to do that this year, after one of the biggest rallies in history last year. $5k invested just before the covid collapse would still be worth far more than $6k, and that’s 18 months through a global pandemic.

That said, your answered your own issue: homes are unaffordable. I’m with you on that: we turned housing into retirement plans for boomers. And now we don’t know what to do about it.

There’s an old adage in commodities trading: the best cure for high prices is high prices. The meaning behind this is that when prices are too high and people can’t or won’t buy, then prices can only go down. Over the next few decades, young people will either earn substantially more, or housing will become substantially cheaper.

You can’t sell anyone a home for $485k if they can only get a $166k mortgage. So these things will converge.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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LOL ! "The chief financial officer is Giancarlo Devasini, a former plastic surgeon from Italy who was once described on Tether’s website as the founder of a successful electronics business. The only reference to him that turned up in a search of Italian newspapers showed he was once fined for selling counterfeit Microsoft software. Elsewhere on the website, there’s a letter from an accounting firm stating that Tether…

Tether most likely holding CHINESE paper. The kind that probably lost a lot of value in the past weeks.

Follow BennettTomlin on Twitter, he has been researching tether for years.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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It's trivially easy for anyone to short tether, simply take out a DeFi loan of tether backed by any other crypto collateral (including e.g. USDC so you don't have liquidation risk). It will just cost you a few % APR to keep the position open

I'm not sure I follow your short structure but you're mentioning other cryptocurrencies. Is there a clean bet where I sell Tethers and get dollars? (USDC are not dollars.)

Short version is no unless you actually get someone to loan you their tethers under contract, and you sell them to someone else for USD with the promise you'll return them.

This architecture doesn't exist AFAIK - certainly no trustworthy parties are offering it (since why would they want Tethers?).

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

#138

I don't understand how Tether has survived this long. Bitfinex and Tether sure look transparently like a fraud, all the way back to the "no really we have $1 in the bank for every Tether but you can't audit us" days. And yet it continues to occupy its role as the underpinning of most cryptocurrency markets. Why hasn't it blown up yet? My best guess is that it's useful to everyone taking in money from new retail inves…

It took Liberty Reserve 7 years and 17 countries cooperating to get nuked from orbit. Tether was founded as Realcoin in 2014 by a group including former child star and accused sex offender Brock Pierce, so while it’s technically just rounding the 7 year mark, it didn’t begin in earnest until it was taken over by Bitfinex towards 2015 and didn’t become majorly problematic until 2016/2017 according to the NYAG findings…

Bennett has done a fantastic job. There WILL be a movie about this company when investors lose faith. Like next decades, "the big short".

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is obviously talking about CEX since it’s not possible for a DEX to have a USD market (like the above mentioned USDT/USD). As for DEXs being manipulated, absolutely not sure why you believe that’s the case? This has nothing to do with DEXs and everything to do with margin (which is coming to DEXs). DEXs and AMMs make it much more expensive to provide liquidity in terms of capital efficiency versus CEXs, and thus m…

>OP is obviously talking about CEX Certainly -- I agree OP (arcticbull) was replying to a comment about DeFI by explaining the dangers of a centralized exchange! That makes it a confused, unhelpful response, not one that "obviously" meant something coherent if you squint hard enough and practice sufficiently strained exegesis. >As for DEXs being manipulated, absolutely not sure why you believe that’s the case? This h…

> Margin has "come to" DEX the moment smartcontracts offer collateralized DeFi lending, which they have, so I'm not sure what you mean here.

Ok, fair. What I mean is high leverage, which is the fuel for the type of manipulation I’m referring to.

To your point about CEX lying about price, that’s a very risky proposition for the arbitrage reasons you mention (CEX arbitrage actually easier for a number of reasons, but I understand why you’d think DEX is easier).

If I run a CEX, unless I collude with every other venue I risk all the arbitrageurs buying/selling my fake prices which means it’s not fake, I’ve just traded against them.

> Furthermore, even the issue of more expensive liquidity from transaction fees wouldn't be true for the far-cheaper L2 sidechains.

No, I said capital efficiency, not execution cost. DEX costs are crazy, but that’s by choice, whereas the capital efficiency is a structural issue. If I want to provide liquidity on 100 CEX markets, I only need enough capital to wear the orders I actually get filled on at any given point in time. As an AMM I’d have have enough capital to be in a 100 different LPs.

To illustrate: let’s say I want to provide $1m of resting liquidity in 100 CEX markets. Let’s say that in doing this, I end up having positions at any point in time that require $10m of capital. If I want to provide the same $1m of liquidity in 100 DEX markets, I need $100m.

So a CEX ends up being 10x more efficient from a capital use perspective.

Re: Anyone Seen Tether’s Billions?

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The last time Bitwise tried to list an ETF, they revealed to the SEC that 95% of all bitcoin trading volume was fake. If the SEC permits a real BTC ETF that would represent a serious failure on their part, IMO, and I agree the potential for Tether contagion would increase materially. [1] [edit] this financial cancer can’t get excised quickly enough. The longer we wait the more will get hurt. [1] https://cointelegraph…

I don't know why people don't understand this. There was a twitter spaces a few weeks ago after one of these ETF delays where a bunch of bigwigs pushing these ETFs seemed clueless or willfully ignorant of this fact. Its just pathetic.

> I don't know why people don't understand this.

That old Upton Sinclair quote comes to mind: the finance guys are making a ton of money getting people to ante in and when you buy a cryptocurrency the only way you get your money back is by talking it up so anyone who's already in has a big incentive not to ask questions.

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