Why didn’t auto-braking stop these crashes?
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Why didn’t auto-braking stop these crashes?
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#2Trying not to be a Tesl fanboy, but they have a nice graph showing the number of auto pilot complaints but fail to mention if they normalized for the number of cars on the road (with autopilot) of that brand. Maybe there are a ton of Tesla complaints because they have way more cars on the road? What's the percentage? I guess we'll never know. Not great reporting.
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#3Once again an article with NO context.
TACC and ebreaking are in MANY auto's. We get no data on the number of accidents and fatalities for cars
1) Driven by humans
2) Other systems of ebreaking
For all we know, despite these 17 accidents, teslas may be far safer.
For example, a quick google shows that there are 1.7 MILLION rear end collisions EACH YEAR in the US.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2015/06/0...
Note that the 17 items discussed here with Tesla are over multiple years.
So in the time teslas had these 17 crashes there were perhaps 3M+ rear end collisions alone?
The sad reality is that the clickbait headlines sell, and any effort to actually look at data does not (on the web and more recently on HN). Folks just do not want to engage with an idea or with numbers, but the outrage (or downvote) button is usually close by :)
Re: Why didn’t auto-braking stop these crashes?
#4Trying not to be a Tesl fanboy, but they have a nice graph showing the number of auto pilot complaints but fail to mention if they normalized for the number of cars on the road (with autopilot) of that brand. Maybe there are a ton of Tesla complaints because they have way more cars on the road? What's the percentage? I guess we'll never know. Not great reporting.
Not sure about the US but I can’t believe there’s more Tesla’s than Audi’s on the road in the U.S?
Edit: oh there is, that’s quite cool honestly. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-...
Re: Why didn’t auto-braking stop these crashes?
#5Wouldn't be surprised if this is their radar whitelist blinding it to sensor input.
Re: Why didn’t auto-braking stop these crashes?
#6Trying not to be a Tesl fanboy, but they have a nice graph showing the number of auto pilot complaints but fail to mention if they normalized for the number of cars on the road (with autopilot) of that brand. Maybe there are a ton of Tesla complaints because they have way more cars on the road? What's the percentage? I guess we'll never know. Not great reporting.
As far as I know all new model luxury cars like Audi and Mercedes come with automatic braking for frontal impacts. So considering the number of Mercedes sold in the last few years, I think it's safe to say there are more of them than Teslas.
Re: Why didn’t auto-braking stop these crashes?
#7Trying not to be a Tesl fanboy, but they have a nice graph showing the number of auto pilot complaints but fail to mention if they normalized for the number of cars on the road (with autopilot) of that brand. Maybe there are a ton of Tesla complaints because they have way more cars on the road? What's the percentage? I guess we'll never know. Not great reporting.
FTA: “The rate of complaints about Tesla, relative to the number of its cars sold in the U.S. in 2020, was more than three times that of the other automakers.”
Still a bad comparison, but I would think that the number relative to the number of cars in use of each brand wouldn’t be better for Tesla.
The real question would be how this would be relative to the number of miles driven (which, I guess, is about as fair as we could get)
Re: Why didn’t auto-braking stop these crashes?
#8Trying not to be a Tesl fanboy, but they have a nice graph showing the number of auto pilot complaints but fail to mention if they normalized for the number of cars on the road (with autopilot) of that brand. Maybe there are a ton of Tesla complaints because they have way more cars on the road? What's the percentage? I guess we'll never know. Not great reporting.
As far as I know all new model luxury cars like Audi and Mercedes come with automatic braking for frontal impacts. So considering the number of Mercedes sold in the last few years, I think it's safe to say there are more of them than Teslas.
Automatic braking has been a common feature even in non-luxury vehicles since at least 2018.
Re: Why didn’t auto-braking stop these crashes?
#9There are also issues with other makers more simple automatic emergency braking systems. But overall it seems like the systems are a net improvement in avoiding at least some accidents.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/10/29/iihs-au...
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#10yet another tesla hit piece from russ mitchell and the la times.
is it just me or does the la times drag tesla at every opportunity? could it be because the owner of the la times, patrick soon shiong, has a company called nantenergy that seeks to compete with tesla? at a minimum, there’s a conflict of interest.
and, kind of a tangent, but where are the articles about the thousands of lives lost due to the incompatibility of trucks/suvs and sedans in crashes actually causing thousands of lives lost per year?