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Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Re: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by jakeinspace »

tomp wrote: post #20

In 6 months we've gone from "vaccines are 100% safe and well tested and there's no chance of long-term side effects whatsoever" to 3 out of 4 "main" vaccines being not recommended for different groups of people. Great for science, not so great for trust in public officials & experts.

Scandinavia, and the western world, are not as desperate for vaccines as they were 6 months ago. So it makes sense that these governments and public health officials would change their recommendations to be more conservative with respect to side effects. No vaccine or medication has 0 risk, it's about balancing the risk of the vaccine with the current risk of the actual disease.

Re: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by nradov »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #25
azinman2 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2.7 per 100k [1] according to an Israeli study. Couldn’t find these details on the Scandinavian study. This article at least in text said you’re more at risk of getting it from Covid than the vaccine — I wish this context with numbers were always printed in these cases. The non-scientifically trained public isn’t taught or should be expected to know how to contextualize these things. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full…

> This article at least in text said you’re more at risk of getting it from Covid than the vaccine But the risk of getting COVID in any time period is less than 1 (based on % of population that has actually had it, possibly less than 0.1 or 10% per year), so it's worth waiting for the safest vaccine for certain groups.

The CDC estimated that 36% of Americans had been infected as of May 2021. Numbers are certainly higher now.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

Re: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by andybak »

peakaboo wrote: post #29
tomp wrote: post #20

In 6 months we've gone from "vaccines are 100% safe and well tested and there's no chance of long-term side effects whatsoever" to 3 out of 4 "main" vaccines being not recommended for different groups of people. Great for science, not so great for trust in public officials & experts.

All these comments fall to the bottom, which means the majority believes the vaccine is safe and effective. The majority also supports the censorship carried out by all social media platforms. I think it has always been like this. The majority follows what they are told and the minority doesn't get listened to.

There's a diverse range of minorities that don't get listened to and there's a lot of them. That's pretty much clear from the definition of "minority"

And some or even most of those minorities are completely deluded and/or misinformed.

So I'm not entirely clear what conclusion you're expecting us to draw.

Re: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by krona »

azinman2 wrote: post #35
Mikeb85 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This article at least in text said you’re more at risk of getting it from Covid than the vaccine But the risk of getting COVID in any time period is less than 1 (based on % of population that has actually had it, possibly less than 0.1 or 10% per year), so it's worth waiting for the safest vaccine for certain groups.

44.1M verified cases in the out of 329.5M ~= 13%, and that's with verified cases, so it's likely much higher. My guess is younger people are even more likely to get it given their lifestyle is highly social at that age, and risk tolerance is similarly high. Given it's not slowing down, the likelihood of getting covid is actually quite high over time.

As with transmissibility, the virulence is not constant over time.

Re: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by agumonkey »

teekert wrote: post #3
ceejayoz wrote: post #2

> "A Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark found that men under the age of 30 who received Moderna Spikevax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing myocarditis," he said. I find it frustrating that we’re still not putting numbers on statements like this in news articles. How slight?

Yeah I hate that, is it something real or are my chances lower than being bitten to death by a dog?

Why are people only focusing on numbers. There are tons of negative stuff with higher odds of happening to you but I don't want to risk myocarditis. I'd rather get bitten, unless it's a rabid dog.

Re: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by barney54 »

CookiesOnMyDesk wrote: post #36
mschild wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comirnaty is the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine. Spikevax the Moderna one. I dont know Swedish. Does it provide any numbers for Spikevax?

only numbers are from july, 19 cases of each *carditis after 20m doses.

But how many doses are in men under 30? That is the right subpopulation to look at, not the entire population.

Re: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by polack »

mfer wrote: post #8

So, they are halting the Moderna vaccine due to myocarditis and recommending the Phizer shot for younger men. Yet, Israel found the Phizer shot lead to myocarditis issues [0]. I wonder what the numbers are and what data decision makers are looking at. [0] https://archive.is/3bZoH/ (NYTimes)

Sweden have had 125 reported cases of myocarditis for people that have used Pfizer and 44 that used Moderna. But then there have been 10,6 million shots of Pfizer administered and only 1,8 million shots of Moderna. So quite clear that the risk is higher for Moderna, even though the risk is low for both of them.

Re: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by ipatec »

kryptiskt wrote: post #31
tomp wrote: post #20

In 6 months we've gone from "vaccines are 100% safe and well tested and there's no chance of long-term side effects whatsoever" to 3 out of 4 "main" vaccines being not recommended for different groups of people. Great for science, not so great for trust in public officials & experts.

They are advised to take the alternative because there is an alternative. Otherwise, Moderna is still much better than not getting a shot.

depending on your age

Re: Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

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Post by bsaul »

All people here pointing that you still should get vaccinated because side effects of vaccines are still less likely :

Let's not forget that :

1-some european country are already past the delta variant wave (so you have to ponderate by the chance of actually getting infected)

2- we still have no idea what the new variant of the next wave of covid is going to look like, when it is going to happen, and if the vaccine is going to offer any protection.

as an example, living in France, my personal choice atm is to not get the vaccine... ( and in all cases i'll definitely check for antibodies before getting a shot, in case i already got infected without knowing)

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