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Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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I'll assert that it's much worse than nothing. "Nothing" isn't bad. Meditate. Let your imagination run wild. Relax. You can't do those things on facebook dot com.

“If you’re bored, you’re not paying attention.” - Sam Harris

Yeah, feed the enragement beast.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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That doesn't seem at all like addiction to me, that's just a mundane routine. If she had a panic attack when FB went down this week then I think we could say it's an addiction.

Sounds like that Afroman song, to me. "I was gonna clean my room, but then I got high..." If a habitual behavior is bad enough to interrupt somebody's ability to accomplish routine tasks, then it's pretty conclusively an addiction.

but it's not. the vast vast majority of people spend a few minutes scrolling through fb, the same way people here scroll through HN, it's a totally meaningless time waster.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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I'm not sure that it actually is dopamine addiction. Wouldn't we need to have some sort of brain assay to say that it is? There is another chemical though, which does not have as deleterious effects as dopamine, and that's oxytocin. Oxytocin, if I recall correctly, doesn't have the boom-bust cycles (ups and downs), it's just a free glowing high that may have source in social relationships.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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post #261

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“If you’re bored, you’re not paying attention.” - Sam Harris

Yeah, feed the enragement beast.

What do you mean? I don’t understand (honest question).

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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The issue is not Facebook.

The issue is being equipped to handle information forwarded by your FB friends. Skeptical thinking, the impulse to distrust anecdotes first, the impulse to double check articles by using other news sources: It's a skill that should be taught to kids early.

I enjoy Facebook to read about what my extended friends and family are doing. I'm ok with FB showing me ads, even personalized ads, if that is what it takes to use this free service.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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Non-profit would be a perfect business model. It isn't like that level of functionality requires a multi $B company to run it.

"Non-profit" is a type of business, but not a business model.

You are technically correct, but "non-profit" designation opens up the potential for a healthy and positive business model that doesn't rely on the theft of user data.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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> Nobody has ever gotten anything useful from a facebook news feed. Millions of people disagree, and frankly it's not our place to judge what is useful for others. It's not all snark and misinformation. > The core difference is that while Facebook seeks to keep our eyes on facebook, places like HN actively encourage people to post links to material outside the core service. But that's just an opinion, that staying on…

I liked your first post but this is like saying a person who tells you not to go out and see the world because you've got everything you need on the compound is better than someone who tells you to experience new places and people. The former clearly has some shades of exploitive manipulation trying to foster dependence / imprisonment

I think what I'm saying in the two comments is consistent, though.

The average HN reader passes judgement on Facebookers (myself included), meanwhile we waste time on sites we're convinced are "better"... but often it's just a tradeoff. HN: external links to thoughtful and informative articles, apolitical, but very impersonal and humorless. FB: insular, but (in theory) you know people, and maintain your relationships with people you don't see in person.

I don't mean to say "both are the same" -- that would be too facile. But, I don't think one or the other is clearly superior in any absolute sense.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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post #150

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Sounds like that Afroman song, to me. "I was gonna clean my room, but then I got high..." If a habitual behavior is bad enough to interrupt somebody's ability to accomplish routine tasks, then it's pretty conclusively an addiction.

but it's not. the vast vast majority of people spend a few minutes scrolling through fb, the same way people here scroll through HN, it's a totally meaningless time waster.

When you open your phone to do something other than look at HN, get distracted by HN, and forget why you opened your phone, that's a problem. Scrolling a few minutes here and there isn't the problem.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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For everyone here who --like me-- has never bought into Facebook, and never gotten hooked on it, congratulations. We are free of the Facebook dopamine dispenser, unlike our poor friends and family. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go refresh the HN front page for the 10th time today, and after checking how many upvotes I got on my latest comments, don't mind if I jump back over to reddit for a while, and then b…

I check HN once per day when I wake up and only rarely otherwise. I got the social media addiction out of my system years ago on a forum. It was horrible, I had to lock myself out using repeated sha1-hashing which required me to spend many hours of CPU time to get access back.

So glad to be done and over with that sort of addiction. Social media is as addictive as cigarettes or booze and we are way behind on treating it in the same ways.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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For everyone here who --like me-- has never bought into Facebook, and never gotten hooked on it, congratulations. We are free of the Facebook dopamine dispenser, unlike our poor friends and family. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go refresh the HN front page for the 10th time today, and after checking how many upvotes I got on my latest comments, don't mind if I jump back over to reddit for a while, and then b…

I may be in the minority, but I actually rarely visit HN’s homepage, but rather follow @newsyc150 on Twitter, and just get a feed of articles that hit 150 votes (there are other increments, too). It’s not overwhelming — I generally feel it hits the sweet spot of signal-to-noise. I only pull up Twitter a few times a day, and scan to find interesting things there. My Twitter feed is generally light — I don’t follow any…

I am enjoying @newsyc150. It cuts through the cruft. Thanks for the recommendation.
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