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Self directed IRAs under attack in proposed tax bill

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Re: Self directed IRAs under attack in proposed tax bill

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>Under these provisions, you would no longer be allowed to invest your IRA into private placements and single-member LLCs, regardless of your level of income or wealth.

Huh. So under current law, you can take your IRA money and "invest" it in a single-member LLC? Wild. Does that let you circumvent the proscription against living in properties you own through your IRA? Since in that case, the "owner" would be the LLC, rather than yourself per se?

Re: Self directed IRAs under attack in proposed tax bill

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Hey everyone: stop talking about your compliant tax strategies! It’s been nice to want to help people but now, obviously, too many people know of some and their representatives are changing the laws. It’s back to the way it’s always been: if you can afford good lawyers then you get to know of obscure tax codes. Lets leave it that way.

The modern 401(k) practices emerged from one of these then-obscure tax codes, which I view as an unabashedly good outcome.

Re: Self directed IRAs under attack in proposed tax bill

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Self directed IRAs are commonly used with a wholly owned single member LLC to invest IRA funds into real estate related investments such as rental properties or many other types of private investments. The new proposed tax bill seems to remove the ability of the IRA owner to manage that LLC and effectively end the use of checkbook control IRAs.

Is this really an issue for low- to middle-income earners, or is that just a scare tactic?

It’s a scare tactic. These rules are really aimed at people Peter Thiel, in response to the pro public’s investigation - they don’t even hit other famous IRA (ab)users like Mitt Romney.

But getting you angry enough to defend his wealth is much more difficult than obscuring the fact that you won’t be affected by them, so we instead get vague and scary warnings about the bill.

Re: Self directed IRAs under attack in proposed tax bill

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They should remove the ability to invest self-directed IRAs into options. This socializes the risk (i.e. someone with little or no supplementary retirement income is going to be a burden on the rest of us) while privatizing the gains.

In any environment where most people have nearly indistinguishable from $0 in their private retirement accounts, I don't see the risk of someone blowing up their IRA being a material socialized risk.

1 in 4 Americans have no retirement savings: https://news.yahoo.com/1-4-americans-no-retirement-191314425... (same study: 1 in 8 over 60 have $0.)

Re: Self directed IRAs under attack in proposed tax bill

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post #11

>Under these provisions, you would no longer be allowed to invest your IRA into private placements and single-member LLCs, regardless of your level of income or wealth. Huh. So under current law, you can take your IRA money and "invest" it in a single-member LLC? Wild. Does that let you circumvent the proscription against living in properties you own through your IRA? Since in that case, the "owner" would be the LLC,…

The tax code (as written) doesn't even let you personally make repairs to property owned in a self-directed IRA. (Otherwise, you'd be able to work tax-free to improve an asset in your IRA.)

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post #11

>Under these provisions, you would no longer be allowed to invest your IRA into private placements and single-member LLCs, regardless of your level of income or wealth. Huh. So under current law, you can take your IRA money and "invest" it in a single-member LLC? Wild. Does that let you circumvent the proscription against living in properties you own through your IRA? Since in that case, the "owner" would be the LLC,…

I’ve never known anyone to own a property as an IRA holding. Is that possible??

Re: Self directed IRAs under attack in proposed tax bill

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Presumably meant to address high net worth individuals completely dodging taxation on huge gains by using their IRAs for investments like exercising early-stage stock options.[1]

I kind of wish they'd go with just capping the gains, but would I still say that if I wasn't planning to use mine to "fund" high-return cryptocurrency arbitrages?

1) https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2021/06/24/peter-th...

Re: Self directed IRAs under attack in proposed tax bill

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I really hope this doesn’t go away. My self directed IRA in Bitcoin has led me to prosperity. There was no other way to do it with my retirement funds really.

I need to subscribe to your newsletter. Mine has mostly reminded me that I'm not a skilled investor.
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