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Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

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Post by mszcz »

gear54rus wrote: post #457
mszcz wrote: post #68

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You know what I miss? Software I can pay for. I'd happily shell out couple of bucks a year for a browser. Or a social network. I'd be more than happy to pay regularly for something that requires regular, constant, maintenance, upkeep, servers, salaries. But no, somehow humanity landed on free+ads. Ugh. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm just grumpy.

If they were sure enough people would pay for something they'd just make it paid AND shove ads in it.

True, and it's already been happening with TVs from what I recall.

You know what I wonder? Where's the hatred threshold for ordinary people? When you see an ad in a middle of something and you're so pissed that you'll go out of your way to specifically avoid the product that's shoved in your throat. I know mine's been reached, but, hey, I'm just an grumpy asshole ;)

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

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Post by acatton »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #449
morganvachon wrote: post #383

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Not OP but I've avoided Brave from the beginning because of its reliance on an ad-fueled crypto scam to generate revenue. If you're trying to avoid Mozilla's new ad-based revenue scheme, moving to a browser that is wholly funded by tracking your browsing and showing you ads while pretending to "pay" you with cryptocurrency that they never actually pay out, seems like a step backwards.

Except that's not at all what Brave is doing. They tried to innovate a new way to pay for content. It's complex, but it's not a scam. Brave seems more trustworthy than FF to me right now.

Wikipedia (and its sources) tends to disagree with you and agree with GP. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brave_(web_browse...

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

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Post by asQuirreL »

deepbreath wrote: post #513
chrisweekly wrote: post #443

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+1 for "iff" (if and only if), which I wish were more broadly used and recognized in written English

Except it's not used correctly here. "A iff B" means "A implies B and B implies A". "I'd be willing to entertain, or even support, this way of them making money iff they spelled out honestly what they're doing and why" implies both of these: - "If they spelled out honestly what they're doing and why, I'd be willing to entertain [...]" - "If I'd be willing to entertain [..] then they will honestly spell what they're d…

I do think the second implication makes sense, if you take out the tenses, i.e.:

If I am willing to entertain then they honestly spell what they're doing and why.

It means that if you know that I am entertaining the idea you can infer from that they were honest.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

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Post by knob »

adar wrote: post #389
babuskov wrote: post #382

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> Do I have any serious alternative? Vivaldi? I'm using Firefox myself and have been using it almost exclusively since it was named Firebird back in the day, but I have considered Vivaldi as an alternative at one point.

I like Vivaldi but the issue is that you're still locking yourself into Chromium's Blink rendering engine which just serves to strengthen Google's push to be the de-facto standards enforcer of the web.

Exactly. Thanks for writing it out.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

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Post by sidedishes »

deepbreath wrote: post #513
chrisweekly wrote: post #443

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+1 for "iff" (if and only if), which I wish were more broadly used and recognized in written English

Except it's not used correctly here. "A iff B" means "A implies B and B implies A". "I'd be willing to entertain, or even support, this way of them making money iff they spelled out honestly what they're doing and why" implies both of these: - "If they spelled out honestly what they're doing and why, I'd be willing to entertain [...]" - "If I'd be willing to entertain [..] then they will honestly spell what they're d…

I think the 'if' is the first point you list, and the 'only if' is saying that if Mozilla doesn't spell it out honestly then they'd not be willing to entertain which is a bit strange but logically equivalent to the second point you have.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

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Post by indigo945 »

deepbreath wrote: post #513
chrisweekly wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 for "iff" (if and only if), which I wish were more broadly used and recognized in written English

Except it's not used correctly here. "A iff B" means "A implies B and B implies A". "I'd be willing to entertain, or even support, this way of them making money iff they spelled out honestly what they're doing and why" implies both of these: - "If they spelled out honestly what they're doing and why, I'd be willing to entertain [...]" - "If I'd be willing to entertain [..] then they will honestly spell what they're d…

Implication is not causation. "If I'd be willing to entertain [...] then they will honestly spell what they're doing and why", as if they wouldn't honestly spell it, there's no way I'd be willing to entertain the idea.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

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Post by KMag »

deepbreath wrote: post #513
chrisweekly wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 for "iff" (if and only if), which I wish were more broadly used and recognized in written English

Except it's not used correctly here. "A iff B" means "A implies B and B implies A". "I'd be willing to entertain, or even support, this way of them making money iff they spelled out honestly what they're doing and why" implies both of these: - "If they spelled out honestly what they're doing and why, I'd be willing to entertain [...]" - "If I'd be willing to entertain [..] then they will honestly spell what they're d…

I believe the bidirectional implication in iff is logical implication, not causal implication. If the GP is willing to entertain ... then you can conclude Mozilla will honestly spell what they're doing. Iff in general use does not introduce a causal relationship, just a bidirectional set of conclusions. In other words, iff sets up necessary and sufficient conditions.
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