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Re: Hackers leaked her photos then she was charged for breaking anti-porn laws

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Post by matheusmoreira »

puszczyk wrote: post #66
gremloni wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The onus is somewhat shared. In recent times there has been a massive over correction leading to something akin to the position that the woman can never be wrong. Getting assaulted is bad but if that was preceded by taunting and instigation by the “victim” they share some segment of the blame.

What? Can you give us some examples?

> What are you gonna do? Shoot me?

> You don't have the guts.

If you challenge a violent criminal like this, you leave him no choice but to shoot you. That goes double if you do it in front of his peers. Either he rises up to your challenge or he loses respect. He's dead if people don't respect him.

People do all sorts of things when they're placed in stressful situations. It's easy to end up making this sort of challenge when trying to drive away an aggressor. Insults, challenges, threatening violence, threatening to call the cops. Sometimes a violent person starts to back down and leave but the victim just has to get that last insult in to teach him a lesson.

Like all people, women are prone to this. Verbal violence can and will escalate a dangerous situation. Sometimes women initiate physical violence against much stronger men: they slap him.

Re: Hackers leaked her photos then she was charged for breaking anti-porn laws

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Post by belorn »

Joker_vD wrote: post #58
belorn wrote: post #47

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Indecent exposure laws tend to primarily target men. Anti-pornogrophy laws tend to primarily target women. What conclusions can we make of a culture that have both laws that get enforced in their gender-biased ways?

That there seems to be much of sexual frustration in the men of that culture. Hard to say about the women's sexual frustration because it manifests differently.

It seems that indecent exposure in combination with public urination is quite common. Not sure how much correlation that has with sexual frustration.

Re: Hackers leaked her photos then she was charged for breaking anti-porn laws

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Post by stevenicr »

true_religion wrote: post #69

Most African and Asian countries have laws against the production or distribution of pornography. Unless you're talking to Church members, it's not really seen as a moral concern but a simple procedural problem: we can't easily be sure if pornography was produced with willing knowing participants and the economic benefits are not worth the bureaucracy to make sure. The whole article is an odd scattershot approach of…

Thanks for adding some interesting info around these things.

I can see how it's easy to feel this: "she used the anti-pornography laws to get her ex-boyfriend to stop posting her pictures on social media. That's a case of the law being used for good, right?"

but I'm not in agreement for a few reasons...

first let me say I m 100% against people sharing intimate photos of others without permission.

Things get a little different in my opinion when people become high level public figures for some reasons .. for example sharing the pics of mr wiener with hookers was not cool.. but considering he became a public figure trying to climb the political ladders and especially because part of that process was him prosecuting hookers and making PR stunts out of it.. well then sharing the pics became a slightly different thing.

Anyhow I hate that anti-porn laws are used for her censoring public discourse - and if the pics were otherwise noteworthy (like they included bisexual whatever and she had voted against lgb or something) - then the photos could be censored in some type of way and published in newspapers for legit public discussion.

I believe she should be able to use copyright laws alone to stop publication / sharing of her pics, and perhaps a lawsuit for defamation (not a great recourse vs poor people) - or other means. But I don't think anti-porn laws should be a thing and they should not be weaponized by the political class to hide things they don't like.

(even though yes, I agree this one appears to be used "good" - I don't have enough info to be 100 on that)

Re: Hackers leaked her photos then she was charged for breaking anti-porn laws

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Post by stevenicr »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #71
puszczyk wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Can you give us some examples?

> What are you gonna do? Shoot me? > You don't have the guts. If you challenge a violent criminal like this, you leave him no choice but to shoot you. That goes double if you do it in front of his peers. Either he rises up to your challenge or he loses respect. He's dead if people don't respect him. People do all sorts of things when they're placed in stressful situations. It's easy to end up making this sort of chal…

Having worked in the nightclub biz for ~20 years - I have seen situations like these occur many times.

It truly amazes me how much people will push others to commit violence - often doing X or Y multiple times - even when others are trying to quash it - and sometimes it seemed that it just intensified when people were stopped / held back, or the initial situation was otherwise 'stopped'.

Re: Hackers leaked her photos then she was charged for breaking anti-porn laws

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Post by eikenberry »

true_religion wrote: post #69

Most African and Asian countries have laws against the production or distribution of pornography. Unless you're talking to Church members, it's not really seen as a moral concern but a simple procedural problem: we can't easily be sure if pornography was produced with willing knowing participants and the economic benefits are not worth the bureaucracy to make sure. The whole article is an odd scattershot approach of…

> Unless you're talking to Church members, it's not really seen as a moral concern but a simple procedural problem: we can't easily be sure if pornography was produced with willing knowing participants and the economic benefits are not worth the bureaucracy to make sure.

I'm not sure I buy that it is purely a procedural problem. There is no way to know anyone in any industry is a willing participant in the production of anything. It is already against the law to enslave or coerce people, so you already have a bureaucracy to handle it. You just need a way to report unlawful activity and a bureaucracy that considers sex workers on equal footing to other professions. IMO it is that last point that is the problem and it basically swings back around to people making a moral judgement about sex and sex workers.

Re: Hackers leaked her photos then she was charged for breaking anti-porn laws

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Post by matheusmoreira »

stevenicr wrote: post #74
matheusmoreira wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What are you gonna do? Shoot me? > You don't have the guts. If you challenge a violent criminal like this, you leave him no choice but to shoot you. That goes double if you do it in front of his peers. Either he rises up to your challenge or he loses respect. He's dead if people don't respect him. People do all sorts of things when they're placed in stressful situations. It's easy to end up making this sort of chal…

Having worked in the nightclub biz for ~20 years - I have seen situations like these occur many times. It truly amazes me how much people will push others to commit violence - often doing X or Y multiple times - even when others are trying to quash it - and sometimes it seemed that it just intensified when people were stopped / held back, or the initial situation was otherwise 'stopped'.

You must have some interesting stories!

Re: Hackers leaked her photos then she was charged for breaking anti-porn laws

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Post by stevenicr »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #76
stevenicr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having worked in the nightclub biz for ~20 years - I have seen situations like these occur many times. It truly amazes me how much people will push others to commit violence - often doing X or Y multiple times - even when others are trying to quash it - and sometimes it seemed that it just intensified when people were stopped / held back, or the initial situation was otherwise 'stopped'.

You must have some interesting stories!

Yeah, I keep thinking I should write a book on it - especially now that many of the places have been gentrified out of existence - which could also be an interesting part of the book.

If the Oprah show was still a thing it would make for a couple of good segments for sure.

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Post by mschuster91 »

Joker_vD wrote: post #56
mschuster91 wrote: post #21

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As a citizen, it is reasonable to expect from government to provide you the ability to drive through any part of the country without risking getting robbed. If the government does not meet that expectation, it is time to hold politicians (and, where applicable, the police administration) accountable by voting them out.

Is it really reasonable? I struggle to think of any actual examples of a country where you could travel anywhere without risking getting robbed. "Most of the country's territory": sure, but "any part" whatsoever? It's a noble ideal but we're still not there yet so you can either shout at the Universe demanding it to be fair, or you can to try and live with what we have right now. I do expect the roads to have no poth…

> I struggle to think of any actual examples of a country where you could travel anywhere without risking getting robbed. "Most of the country's territory": sure, but "any part" whatsoever?

In modern, civilized democracies, citizens delegate their right to use vigilante justice and violence in general to the state (in form of police), in exchange for the state's guarantee to uphold the law on its territory.

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Post by teddyh »

sharikous wrote: post #45

We should thank hackers in a way for exposing what the world is becoming in terms of mass surveillance. If they did not pull stunts like these we would be much more trusting of our devices. Governments and shadier entities would access our data at their will and wouldn't stupidly publicize what they are doing when they don't have to. Of course a presidential candidate has powerful enemies who may be themselves part o…

“But let us raise a toast to all our bombers, all our bastards, most unlovely and most unforgivable, let's drink their health, then meet with them no more.”

— V

Re: Hackers leaked her photos then she was charged for breaking anti-porn laws

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Post by Joker_vD »

mschuster91 wrote: post #78
Joker_vD wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really reasonable? I struggle to think of any actual examples of a country where you could travel anywhere without risking getting robbed. "Most of the country's territory": sure, but "any part" whatsoever? It's a noble ideal but we're still not there yet so you can either shout at the Universe demanding it to be fair, or you can to try and live with what we have right now. I do expect the roads to have no poth…

> I struggle to think of any actual examples of a country where you could travel anywhere without risking getting robbed. "Most of the country's territory": sure, but "any part" whatsoever? In modern, civilized democracies, citizens delegate their right to use vigilante justice and violence in general to the state (in form of police), in exchange for the state's guarantee to uphold the law on its territory.

Well, go and take a stroll at 3am in certain parts of Paris where police almost never manifests and when it does, it's in groups of 10 at least — the results may upset you.
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