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Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

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post #78

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Did/do they? I forgot about that. Do you have a source?

On first run it will open 2 pages on the Mozilla website, all of which embed Google Analytics and/or Tag Manager. Mozilla claims they have some special agreement that supposedly prevents Google from using this data for advertising purposes but if you actually believe it then I may have a bridge to sell you.

Hmm, that's... not good.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

#182
post #145

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>The suggestions are not relevant to "Relevant" is a code word for "we spy on your every move and also share your personal browsing behaviour with our many external partners to serve you relevant ads".

They don't do any of those things, according to the article. Perhaps you didn't read it.

It's clear that some people would rather jump at any opportunity to smear Mozilla and stoke outrage than engage in serious discussion.

For those who actually want to understand the feature, and its implications for privacy and data sharing, https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2021/09/15/data-and-firefox-su... is a starting point.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

#183

Everybody gets pissed off when firefox tries to move advertisement away from Google for some reason. Firefox recieves 100s of millions in advertisement revenue via Google yearly through the search bar. Firefox is practically 100% advertisement financed.

I think the problem people have is not the company that pays the revenue but the industry. If it's going to be ad revenue it doesn't matter much whether it comes from Google or somewhere else. The main problem is that advertising is ultimately at odds with their objective of protecting users' privacy.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

#184
For all I care there already are ads in the form of pinned websites (Amazon, et cetera, about which I dislike Mozilla assuming I want them on my new tab page) when you set up a new profile and must remove one at a time clicking the tiny burger menu icon that's hidden unless you hover on the icon, and appear in the URL bar when opened. This is just another little addition to the already present task of disabling unwanted annoyances on installs without policies groups setup, so it doesn't bother me too much at this point. I doubt this will help improve the browser at all, let's see if the servo developers and the security team gets hired again from the little income this produces rather than some other significant expenses that have been widely documented in this thread already. Is it really so difficult for a browser to focus on its development and its features alone to gain or recover lost market share? Word of mouth and installations to others' PCs by IT people or privacy aware people really are so worthless now?

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

#185
post #34

Meh, the feature is easily deactivable, the settings are clear and extensive. As far as ads go, it's one of the best implementations. Firefox still has no alternative in the privacy / user-centric space (don't mention Brave, I'm gonna get mad). Mozilla has done a lot for the web, I can give them some slack for exploring different revenue models. Still, I'm going to keep on eye for this kind of practices in the future…

> Firefox still has no alternative in the privacy / user-centric space

Safari.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

#186
post #142

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> RELEVANT suggestions The fuck with this? How can they make _relevant_ suggestions without spying on my (s/browsing history/activity/), profiling it and phoning back to the mothership? (Edited, "browsing history" -> "activity")

According to the page that you apparently didn't read, it's based on the search text you typed and your city location.

So,

Once enabled, Firefox Suggest sends what I type in the address bar to Mozilla. There it gets augmented with my location and makes its way to their "preferred partners", limited, for the moment, to a lovely establishment called "adMarketplace".

You don't see a slightest problem with that, no?

Reading through their "how Mozilla handles data" page [1] reveals absolutely nothing specific. What's collected, what's being passed on, etc. Just a bunch of hand waving and "don't you worry, everything is tip-top".

[1] https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2021/09/15/data-and-firefox-su...

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

#187
post #112

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I don't disagree, but it's still a somewhat partial failure. The others still do much worse.

cuisses de grenouille it is sir, coming right up..

What would the alternative be? Any Chromium-based project is tainted. I used to like Konqueror, but that's a KDE-only browser. What else?

Mozilla needs reform as an institution, it needs new leadership. But its raison d'être is still very much there.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

#188

Is it time to fork Firefox under a browser-focused organisation? I wish I could donate directly towards the development of Firefox to avoid this kind of deterioration, without funding Mozilla at all.

LibreWolf is a soft-fork in this vein. Notably, it's on Flathub, so it's very easy to install.

=> https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/

Iceraven is a similar (less mature) project for Android.

=> https://github.com/fork-maintainers/iceraven-browser

It would be nice to have a single umbrella project/brand, which could essentially treat Firefox in the same way Edge and Opera treat Chrome.

Re: Mozilla to put ads in Firefox address bar suggestions

#189
"for sponsored results, our preferred partner is adMarketplace"

firefox continues to kill itself. it seems pretty clear now It's past the point of no return.

im hopeful brave fills the void. theyre the only company inelligently addressing the root issue with the web - advertising.

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