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Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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I’m just waiting till I reach 1000. I’m at 995... I get up to 999, and then I fuck up and make an anti-vaccine post and plummet back to the 980’s. Once I hit 1000, I’m outa here. Promise.

FWIW, I found your past comments articulate and well-supported. Please don't take the downvoting herds too much to heart – there was no "fuck up" on your part :-) BTW I upvoted a bunch of your comments right now, but apparently with no effect to your karma. You (or I?) may have angered the HN algo gods.

I’ve noticed this, too. I think HN karma is updated in some asynchronous fashion.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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Herein lies the banality: facebook is boring, but if you're bored, it's better than nothing. I don't begrudge folks using it to pass the time on transit to avoid interacting with the public... but I've witnessed quite a few people scrolling endlessly while half-watching tv, half-participating in face to face interactions, etc. I've fallen into that trap myself, during a period of intense burnout -- my ability to focu…

I'll assert that it's much worse than nothing. "Nothing" isn't bad. Meditate. Let your imagination run wild. Relax. You can't do those things on facebook dot com.

“If you’re bored, you’re not paying attention.” - Sam Harris

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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Except that on HN I have actually learned a things or two. I have been connected to useful articles on topics that have solved many of my tech problems in recent years. Nobody has ever gotten anything useful from a facebook news feed. The core difference is that while Facebook seeks to keep our eyes on facebook, places like HN actively encourage people to post links to material outside the core service. HN doesn't tr…

> Nobody has ever gotten anything useful from a facebook news feed. Millions of people disagree, and frankly it's not our place to judge what is useful for others. It's not all snark and misinformation. > The core difference is that while Facebook seeks to keep our eyes on facebook, places like HN actively encourage people to post links to material outside the core service. But that's just an opinion, that staying on…

I liked your first post but this is like saying a person who tells you not to go out and see the world because you've got everything you need on the compound is better than someone who tells you to experience new places and people. The former clearly has some shades of exploitive manipulation trying to foster dependence / imprisonment

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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Addicion or not, still something in communication domain we needed - messages that are a bit more permmament then sms's and IM.

But yea, scroll of ignoring is a brain cancer and time waster.

HN looks similiar, but for sure it contains Usenet like quality of content, usually. But maybe in last year or two day to day links are less fresh...

And, mandatory :> I logged off FB years ago and wish it disappear from Inet for good !!

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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I think my wife is addicted, she will pick up her phone to do one thing but first goes to Facebook and scrolls, then she forgets what she was using her phone for. Maybe not addicted but she has a habit of going to Facebook every time she uses her phone.

"Addiction is a biopsychosocial disorder characterized by compulsive engagement in rewarding stimuli despite adverse consequences." "Despite adverse consequences" is a key component of addiction. For instance, many people can consume alcohol fairly regularly without the alcohol causing trouble for them. But if the alcohol starts to get in the way of work or disrupt your family life, that is a textbook warning sign of…

Thank you for this definition

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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For everyone here who --like me-- has never bought into Facebook, and never gotten hooked on it, congratulations. We are free of the Facebook dopamine dispenser, unlike our poor friends and family. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go refresh the HN front page for the 10th time today, and after checking how many upvotes I got on my latest comments, don't mind if I jump back over to reddit for a while, and then b…

I may be in the minority, but I actually rarely visit HN’s homepage, but rather follow @newsyc150 on Twitter, and just get a feed of articles that hit 150 votes (there are other increments, too). It’s not overwhelming — I generally feel it hits the sweet spot of signal-to-noise. I only pull up Twitter a few times a day, and scan to find interesting things there. My Twitter feed is generally light — I don’t follow any…

I came here through @Hn251 on Twitter

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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> I wish someone would make a site like that again! On a technical level, it's not hard. On business level, it's doubtful if there's a compelling enough business model to prevent it from becoming another surveillance capitalism platform. And on a societal level, it seems impossible that living generations will ever trust a platform en masse again enough to achieve such ubiquity.

I'm convinced that there is a service people will pay for. My idea is that _somebody_ in a social group will want it to happen, and that they can pay for the whole group.

I paid to boost a Discord server for my whole friend group, and they still insist on sticking to the WhatsApp group chat because "we don't want to download another app, everybody already uses WhatsApp".

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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I know a lot of immigrants/expats and Facebook is pretty much the one thing they have to keep in touch with family and friends back home. Personally I loathe the company and would be happy if some fatal DNS or other issue took it down for good or if it were legislated out of existence by the EU/US. But we also need to be aware of the value it provides other than as a bullhorn for anti-vaxxers and other nutjobs and pe…

Wouldn’t something else fill that vacuum if Facebook went away?

Sure, maybe, but building that "something else" isn't trivial, is prone to the same problems as Facebook, and even if it were not, would not appear overnight.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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Have you ever met a nutrient deficient heroin, crack or meth addict? I'd be willing to bet those habits are closer to the top than food, but they seem to forego it and take that as far as they can without dying. We are talking about addiction here after all.

Those are physiological addictions that literally rewire your body chemistry and how your brain perceives reality. There's addiction and there's addiction.

What do you think happens to you when you love, when you hate, when you feel rejected, appreciated, embraced, venerated, when you feel like you're being venerated without effort, you may feel like you're cheating and get a rise of it, or feel guilty from it, but in every case there's an endocrine response.

All of these chemical pathways are triggered by the hollow nonexistent social interactions, it can be an emotional rollercoaster and at the core is stimulation by endogenous compounds that can also be chemically addictive. You're finding a distinction that simply isn't there.

Re: Facebook is an addiction treadmill most may never be able to quit

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> I wish someone would make a site like that again! On a technical level, it's not hard. On business level, it's doubtful if there's a compelling enough business model to prevent it from becoming another surveillance capitalism platform. And on a societal level, it seems impossible that living generations will ever trust a platform en masse again enough to achieve such ubiquity.

Non-profit would be a perfect business model. It isn't like that level of functionality requires a multi $B company to run it.

"Non-profit" is a type of business, but not a business model.
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