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Bitcoin is a Ponzi

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Re: Bitcoin is a Ponzi

#61
People use BTC/ETH/etc. in exchange for goods. I mean, I'm not a fan of cryptocurrency, but calling it a Ponzi scheme is just wrong.

There are plenty of shitcoins out there that are purely pump and dumps, but it seems like BTC is here to stay.

Re: Bitcoin is a Ponzi

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post #16

Judging by the attitude on HN, cryptocurrency should be worth $0 and written off years ago. Instead it's bigger than ever and the most important people on earth are focusing on it. Somehow it's simultaneously an incredible, useless scam but is so powerful that we must ban it at all costs! HN doesn't know everything, do your own research, use your own logic.

I love HN but have watched for years as much in the community have completely missed the boat on crypto and blockchain. It's a strange disconnect...

Re: Bitcoin is a Ponzi

#63

I was just now seeing the first video of https://a16z.com/crypto-startup-school/ . Whole video is about how blockchain is awesome because Computer, Internet and Mobile were awesome. Followed by some answers about how we don't know of any use case right now. Is there any non currency use case of blockchain?

Yes, when you need certainty that data hasn't been tempered with. Logistics, being able to trace back where a certain item came from. How about trading cards, be certain that the trading card you are possessing is the only one and it is genuine. (NFTs)

Re: Bitcoin is a Ponzi

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post #11

> They generally invest in gold as a hedge -- a "store of value" -- that they hope will retain its value in case other assets go sour. I strongly believe bitcoin will be the new gold one day, if it doesn't pan out as a currency. It sounds insane, but I actually believe the Winklevoss twins when they say Elon and SpaceX will be able to mine gold on asteroids within the next 20 years, which would crash the price of gol…

> I strongly believe bitcoin will be the new gold one day, if it doesn't pan out as a currency. It sounds insane, but I actually believe the Winklevoss twins when they say Elon and SpaceX will be able to mine gold on asteroids within the next 20 years, which would crash the price of gold. Not to mention as everything inevitably moves digital, we need to have a digital store of value.

What is the energy cost to get a refined kilo of gold back to Earth?

Re: Bitcoin is a Ponzi

#65

I was just now seeing the first video of https://a16z.com/crypto-startup-school/ . Whole video is about how blockchain is awesome because Computer, Internet and Mobile were awesome. Followed by some answers about how we don't know of any use case right now. Is there any non currency use case of blockchain?

Why specify non-currency? Doesn't Bitcoin provide a more convenient/less expensive way to send money between countries (or both). Those are pretty powerful uses. (I don't know money laundering and drug dealing are still more convenient in Bitcoin)

Re: Bitcoin is a Ponzi

#66
A bit ridiculous simplistic clickbait article... if the author had any intellectual honesty he would realize his arguments on gold NOT being a ponzi could be used exactly the same for Bitcoin:

"First, few if any gold investors have expectations of profits. They generally invest in gold as a hedge -- a "store of value" -- that they hope will retain its value in case other assets go sour."

Actually almost every other point he tries to make on things NOT a Ponzi could be made for Bitcoin too.

Re: Bitcoin is a Ponzi

#67
post #3

"By that definition the USD is a ponzi. No, national currencies too fail to fit the definition, because people do not "invest" in them with the expectation of gain" <-- The 6.6trillion/day forex market begs to differ.

Also it is not true that "governments make their currencies slightly inflationary precisely to discourage hoarding." In fact, this is done so that there can be economic expansion. It is true that some economists have advocated for deliberately trying to increase inflation to spur spending, but it turns out that actually forcing inflation is not easy (see also: Japan for the past two decades).

The US seems to be pulling it off for the last few months.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/273418/unadjusted-monthl...

Re: Bitcoin is a Ponzi

#69
No, this discussion ended when bitcoin was ratified as legal tender. Regardless of how you define it, the cat has left the bag.

Re: Bitcoin is a Ponzi

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post #5

> No, national currencies too fail to fit the definition, because people do not "invest" in them with the expectation of gain. The entire forex trading industry: am I a joke to you?

Isn’t forex kind of a joke to everyone? Hearing your friend got into Forex is about the same as when they get into Amway, Tupperware, DoTerra, or Herbalife …

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