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Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 1:29 AM UTC

arn wrote: post #42

0xFreebie wrote: post #32

Anyone have stats on how much it costs to run Wikipedia's collection of websites? Do they release itemized expenses (servers, programmers, lawyers, management, etc)?

This what you are looking for? https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/financial-reports/

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Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by p2t2p » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 1:29 AM UTC

spicybright wrote: post #25

whalesalad wrote: post #16

Safari is the best browser there is right now, hands down.

Why?

Fast, small footprint, highly battery life friendly. Bunch of extensions. Extensions support on desktop and mobile. Trustworthy repository of extensions. Special ad-blocking extensions API that delivers high performance and does not require extensions access to content of the page. Tab-groups out-of-the-box. Read later feature that is synchronised across devices out of the box, no third party service required. Bunch of privacy protecting features. Apple's hide-my-email thingy built-in.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by zamadatix » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 1:31 AM UTC

Safari is nowadays getting ~$15,000,000,000 per year with a Google search deal. Meanwhile Mozilla has been ignoring their core user base going as far as laying off development teams working on Firefox components in the name of cost saving while they try to diversify income to support the rest of Mozilla (which makes basically nothing) yet they've retain their own Google search deal with lower user share for At this point a better risk avoidance strategy would have been focus on Firefox development and retaining user share (particularly on Mobile where they basically faded to nothing while holding onto the old browser engine on Android for far too long) to have decades worth of current income on hand from the same deal they've kept anyways.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by 0xFreebie » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 1:33 AM UTC

troydavis wrote: post #41

Does anyone trustworthy offer a paid version of Firefox? I don't know of one, but I'd be customer #1. The pitch is clear: "Users are our only customers. We'll always do what's best for you and we'll do it completely transparently."

Old people will show up and say: "Paid Firefox, I remember that when it failed as Netscape." Although technically that was Netscape Communicator? Maybe times have changed though.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by gfody » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 1:33 AM UTC

poll: would you like to see ads in the address bar?

100% - NO

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by kymaz » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 1:44 AM UTC

A phoenix is born from the ashes of its past. Mozilla the browser was considered bloated by some and that led to a cleaner browser, a firebird if you will. This is just another indicator we're past due for another cycle of fire.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by weikju » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 1:57 AM UTC

twodave wrote: post #26

Personally, I love ads. I barely notice them. I'll notice that guitars are popping up all over the place if I was just browsing Guitar Center or Sweetwater, but other than that most ads are irrelevant to me anyway. That said, they pay for a lot of things I enjoy. My email account is free. My web browser and search engine are free. To me, anyway. Thanks to all those people who look at and click on ads. Who are those f…

Yah ads aren't inherently bad, but the business models that developed around ads and tracking is what most oppose, and has turned ads into evil, unfortunately.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by newscracker » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 2:06 AM UTC

Firefox, please ask on first launch — as you do for telemetry — if the user is ok with ads. The default being opt-out and later on a “sorry, we hear you, this was a mistake” doesn’t sound good.

Mozilla Corporation, please figure out a way for users to directly donate to support Firefox. Not everybody realizes or knows that the donations on mozilla.org go to Mozilla Foundation and not to Mozilla Corporation. Not everybody knows that Firefox is primarily funded by a search partnership agreement with Google. The direct donations to Firefox may not be a lot, but I’m sure it could pay for at least one programmer a month, if not more.

Mozilla Corporation, expand the availability of Mozilla VPN to all the countries that Mullvad offers its services in. Keeping it restricted isn’t helping anyone much.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by rascul » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 2:07 AM UTC

theHIDninja wrote: post #10

highwind wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the malice here? Maybe I missed it.

Advertising is fundamentally malicious.

I believe that advertising could be used maliciously but I don't believe advertising is inherently malicious.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by kymaz » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 2:21 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #27

whalesalad wrote: post #16

Safari is the best browser there is right now, hands down.

That stops being true the moment you have to develop for it.

Right, but I'm also an end user, so that's the part I care about first.