Does anyone trustworthy offer a paid version of Firefox? I don't know of one, but I'd be customer #1.
The pitch is clear: "Users are our only customers. We'll always do what's best for you and we'll do it completely transparently."
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#42Anyone have stats on how much it costs to run Wikipedia's collection of websites? Do they release itemized expenses (servers, programmers, lawyers, management, etc)?
This what you are looking for? https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/financial-reports/
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If you have ideas for alternative sources of funding for Mozilla to pay its programmers and other staff without relying so heavily on Google money for their organization's existence, I'm sure they'd like to hear about it. They're trying to tackle the revenue issue on multiple fronts, including Mozilla VPN, a subscription "privacy pack" (that includes Mozilla VPN and upgraded versions of Firefox Relay and Firefox Moni…
I don’t mind them receiving funding from Google. It just seems like a poorly thought out way to raise funds. They receive 400-450 million /year from Google. Is this not enough to fund Firefox development adequately?
They're worried about what would happen if that funding were to disappear at some point (Google could choose not to renew the contract at any time and then Mozilla would have a huge problem). Part of leadership in a big organization is looking ahead and trying to mitigate potentially-catastrophic risks before they become actual problems.
Mozilla doesn't want the future of their entire organization to rest in the hands of Google, whose decisions they don't have control over (and who is also their main competitor).
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#45Done. Firefox's done.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you have ideas for alternative sources of funding for Mozilla to pay its programmers and other staff without relying so heavily on Google money for their organization's existence, I'm sure they'd like to hear about it. They're trying to tackle the revenue issue on multiple fronts, including Mozilla VPN, a subscription "privacy pack" (that includes Mozilla VPN and upgraded versions of Firefox Relay and Firefox Moni…
I don’t mind them receiving funding from Google. It just seems like a poorly thought out way to raise funds. They receive 400-450 million /year from Google. Is this not enough to fund Firefox development adequately?
But Google is funding them with... advertising money. Collected from your searches and search suggestions. I'm really unsure why reliance on Google is better than other options?
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#47The fact that it's opt-out is pretty hostile, and it's not like they didn't know how it was going to be received; Brave browser made a [supposed 0] blunder when they appended affiliate tags to popular sites[1] - pretty close to doing ads in autocomplete results, and it was received just as badly.
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It is not Mozilla's job to profit off its users. Its job is to provide a browser. They have utterly failed at this job. I have a fundamental right to see not see the content I do not want to see. I have a fundamental right to not be advertised to. Firefox has violated this right.
> It is not Mozilla's job to profit off its users. Its job is to provide a browser. Firefox is a non-profit, but it needs revenue to provide that browser to users. Right now most of that revenue comes from Google (and its search suggestions, also enabled by default, I think). I'm not sure how you expect it to do its job for free, and it seems to get nothing but pushback whenever it tries to become more independent. I…
There is not a single UI change that they have made in the last five years that I have liked. The new look for tabs that they pushed a few months ago is an utter disaster.
Every decision they have made in recent memory has been in the pursuit of getting rid of user customization. Something which Firefox was originally built on. This is the reason they are hemorrhaging users.
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#50Does anyone trustworthy offer a paid version of Firefox? I don't know of one, but I'd be customer #1. The pitch is clear: "Users are our only customers. We'll always do what's best for you and we'll do it completely transparently."
Genuinely curious if this could possibly work when there are so many free option pre-installed on devices (Edge and Safari) or only a click away (Chrome). What would you have to charge willing users a year to break even on this?