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Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by tediousdemise »

greysphere wrote: post #266
tediousdemise wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right to be forgotten is just that - the right to be forgotten. Your issues or needs, whatever they may be (tax info retention, age info retention, etc), take a backseat to the user's rights. In other words: if there is overlap, the right of one person's data to be forgotten supersedes the right of the other person's data to be remembered.

You should try that logic out come tax day, see how that goes.

I invite you to read another comment I made here with this exact example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28779463

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by inopinatus »

nightski wrote: post #96
jeroenhd wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why using the blockchain got user data is such a stupid idea. The immutability makes it impossible to redact or remove information, even if that information is encrypted. The same is true foor P2P services where there is no central accounting system. Deleting the account shouldn't be a problem if all the "account" info is stored on the device itself, so if your reviewers aren't completely incompetent I don't…

Hate to break it to you but banks are not deleting your account immediately when you close it. They legally can't.

KYC/audit regs aside, it's also because the account belongs to the bank. The money is held in trust on your behalf, but the amounts are a liability on the institution's balance sheet. This is also why an increase in the balance of your deposit account is referred to as a credit; the statement is written from the bank's perspective, not yours.

What you have is partial control of these funds, via instructions to your bank, electronic or otherwise, but since it is merely operated on your behalf, you can't unilaterally delete the account. What you can do, is terminate the relationship with your bank.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by swman »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #15

I remember that roughly 5 or 6 years ago, when I wanted them to delete my apple id, I had to call them. On the phone. And the guy told me, "if we delete your apple id, you will not be able to sign up with this mail again". I only realized after hanging up how little sense this makes.

It makes total sense to me. There’s no way to really know the next person signing up is really you (even if it’s 99% unlikely it isn’t). The safest option is to create a brand new account with a different email. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how I do my own app signups.. it seems safe to me.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by vineyardmike »

arkh wrote: post #45
vineyardmike wrote: post #39

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Can you just delete the key and local data? Is the requirement to push that deletion to all other SSB instances? Seems like a case where in 2021 this rule is good, but blocks the creation of new business/product/tools that don't confirm with the 2020 way of thinking... which is good for apple.

> Is the requirement to push that deletion to all other SSB instances? Well if you follow the GDPR: yes. Article 17.2 > Where the controller has made the personal data public and is obliged pursuant to paragraph 1 to erase the personal data, the controller, taking account of available technology and the cost of implementation, shall take reasonable steps, including technical measures, to inform controllers which are…

> taking account of available technology and the cost of implementation, shall take reasonable steps, including technical measures, to inform controllers which are processing the personal data that the data subject has requested the erasure by such controllers of any links to, or copy or replication of, those personal data.

This is just not possible for a lot of data like SSB.

How would you do this if someone asked github to delete all their commits across repos?

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by rexf »

jackdeansmith wrote: post #16

Feels to me like public pressure is on Apple to actually justify their argument that their App Store policies are for the benefit of their customers. If that results in more policies like this that really do improve customer experiences, that's not the worst outcome.

I'd question if their policies benefit consumers overall.

In theory Apple sign-in is great. In reality, many apps now show several login options (Google, FB, Apple, e-mail) and I can't remember which one I used.

I've had many instances of trying to login with Apple, the app silently throws an error, and the app won't proceed. E-mail pw reset doesn't work. Did I use Apple Sign-In with my real e-mail or a forwarded (private) e-mail? Apple has made logins more complex and confusing.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by matt_heimer »

ajb wrote: post #164
rapind wrote: post #82

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Nevermind NYT, what about your gym subscription!

That's been so bad that there are now gyms which have 'easy cancel' as a selling point. Pure Gym (UK) allows you to cancel by just stopping the payment (they call this "No contract" which is legally illiterate, but whatever). Ironically my bank was suspicious about me when I did it.

That's not 'easy cancel', they've kept difficult cancelation but outsourced the responsibility (at no cost to themselves) to your bank.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by threatofrain »

jackdeansmith wrote: post #16

Feels to me like public pressure is on Apple to actually justify their argument that their App Store policies are for the benefit of their customers. If that results in more policies like this that really do improve customer experiences, that's not the worst outcome.

IMO the most recent spike of Apple pressure came from the Epic lawsuit, but these App store changes were communicated about 6 months ago, which is slightly before the Epic lawsuit came to light. I would also imagine that Apple discussed these changes internally for at least a month before announcing it.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by jimmydorry »

inopinatus wrote: post #272
nightski wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate to break it to you but banks are not deleting your account immediately when you close it. They legally can't.

KYC/audit regs aside, it's also because the account belongs to the bank. The money is held in trust on your behalf, but the amounts are a liability on the institution's balance sheet. This is also why an increase in the balance of your deposit account is referred to as a credit; the statement is written from the bank's perspective, not yours. What you have is partial control of these funds, via instructions to your b…

This falls astray of the new Apple requirement though, as I understand it.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by caf »

olah_1 wrote: post #151
jeroenhd wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why using the blockchain got user data is such a stupid idea. The immutability makes it impossible to redact or remove information, even if that information is encrypted. The same is true foor P2P services where there is no central accounting system. Deleting the account shouldn't be a problem if all the "account" info is stored on the device itself, so if your reviewers aren't completely incompetent I don't…

You can have decentralized p2p systems that respect users (allow deletes). One example would be Gun which allows you to “tombstone” your data. Just overwrite it with a blank. A new version of Scuttlebutt allows tombstoning too. I think mutable should be the default. Make it all ephemeral with optional permanence.

Can you stop anyone keeping a copy of everything that someone tries to tombstone, though?

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

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Post by [deleted] »

kelnos wrote: post #199
SllX wrote: post #100

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I don’t know. It’s 6 words and you don’t even have to be rude about it or get annoyed at the offers they throw at you. Then you get the confirmation email and you’re set.

I hate talking in the phone to people I don't know so intensely that I have wasted hundreds of dollars on various things because I procrastinated calling to cancel. This effect is real, and companies know it, and design their cancellation processes to extract extra money from people.

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